Sasuke vs. Ishida

[Rmage]

Considering the same voice actor does Sasuke (from Naruto) and Ishida, I just wanted to see which character you guys like better, and who you think would win in a fight. You can include all aspects (looks, skill, intelligence, personality, etc.).

EDIT: OMG!!! I didn't realize until after I posted the poll that I wrote Naruto instead of Ishida. Sorry everyone! If a mod can fix that, it would be greatly appreciated, but for now, please pretend Naruto is Ishida.

[Planeswalker]

We need a battle arena on this forum. Umm just to clarify which time period Sasuke are we talking about? e.g. Before Chuunin exams, after exams, after lvl2 or after time skip ect...

[Rmage]

Good question. If you want to compare them battle-wise, let's say Ishida has that super glove, and Sasuke is at level 2.

[Planeswalker]

Ishida with the glove on? he isnt that powerful...I think lvl2 Sasuke could beat him in that case. Ninjas have incredible speed and a lvl curse seal should be stronger than Quincy with a glove.

Sasuke vs Ishida, having just taken off the glove would be a different story. (Im assuming) Ishida's destructive power would be far too high for Sasuke to handle (considering his best move is Chidori at that point).

[Rmage]

OK, how about this. We all know that Ishida can't last very long if he "breaks" the glove, and Sasuke can't last very long in lvl. 2 either. So let's do that. Ishida at his best and Sasuke at his best, both in a rush to destroy each other because they can only contain their power for a short time.

[Planeswalker]

Ishida easily then. Bleach characters have a long standing tradition of being able to completely pwn Naruto characters when both are at their best. Sasuke can rush in with a chidori at best but Ishida has ALOT more power in his final attack.

[Rmage]

Hahaha...I'm not defending Sasuke cause I like him, I'm just bringing in a different perspective. I actually don't like Sasuke in any possible way. I used to, but that was before he decided to leave Konoha. Anyways, the thing about Ishida's "final shot" is that it is his "final" one. If Sasuke manages, to escape it (he is pretty fast), then he clear. Still, I vote for Ishida because I think he's faster and smarter, and not as egotistic.

[Planeswalker]

^^ Yeah Ishida has the humility and patience to make that final shot count.

btw on your poll you onyl have Sasuke and Naruto 0_o wheres Ishida?

[Rmage]

Hahaha...I know. Naruto's not even supposed to be there, it's supposed to be Ishida. I edited my first post to let everyone know I made a mistake, so just chose Naruto if you want to vote for Ishida.

[Wanderweiss]

Man, I'm not a fan of Sasuke at all, but I think he'd win this by a mile. If they were both just going by raw strength then Ishida would win, but consider the tactical advantages Sasuke has as a Ninja. First of all, he can perform basic genjutsu...to confuse Ishida. Ishida, not being a ninja, could not dispel it. Also, lets not forget at level 2 curse seal Sasuke has the third dot Sharingan, being able to completely predict his enemies moves. Naruto's speed was much faster than Sasuke's but with the eye he was able to see 3 steps ahead of him. Come on, Ishida's final attack... whoop Kawarimi. No good. gg lol. This goes to Sasuke.

[Rmage]

First of all, if you've been keeping up with Bleach, then you'll know genjutsu won't be as effective on Ishida because he was able to figure out the illusions set by Rin Rin and her companions. Also, if Kawarimi is as "powerful" as you're making it out to be, then everyone would be constantly using it, and no one would get hurt.

[Tanya]

If we think reiatsu = chakra, then I suppose if Sasuke were to do chidori, then Ishida could suck it all up with that superglove of his. Battle-wise, I think Sasuke would win, though. Personality-wise, hahah Ishida is THE biggest dork ever, so that goes to Sasuke as well =]

[Wanderweiss]

First of all, if you've been keeping up with Bleach, then you'll know genjutsu won't be as effective on Ishida because he was able to figure out the illusions set by Rin Rin and her companions.

And how long did it take him to realize the trick to the illusion? Do you think he'd have that amount of time to get out if he were in a life or death battle with a ninja?

[azumi149]

for me its sasuke..
he looks good than ishida
he looks hot than ishida
he looks terrifying than ishida
and i like sasuke more than ishida...

[eiChi]

errrrr.....i'd say..sasuke..- __ -'''' coz he's cooler n smarter n more handsum n more intelligent n is a genius n innocent???? O.o''''

ishida's good too, btw. he knows how to sew!!!

[yumisan]

why is the poll is*naruto*or *sasuke*in the above isn't we are talking about ishida and sasuke???*confused*
well in looks sasuke looks better:D
in critical thinking i think ishida is better.
in power.....hmn...i think it is almost the same.
so overall i think it is 50 and 50 for me.i guess...

[Rmage]

Ok, I don't want to have to constantly repeat this, but here goes. I made a mistake with the polls. Naruto is supposed to be Ishida so vote Naruto if you want Ishida.

I also just remembered. Sasuke doesn't know any genjutsu. Sure, he may recognize them and is able to get out of them, but we've never seen him use any.

[Planeswalker]

^^ Thats true I dont recall ever seeing him use any. Itachi is the genjutsu nut

[Wanderweiss]

Every ninja is able to use simple genjutsu, which is easily dispelled by other ninjas, but would be easy to use on someone like Ishida. x.x;

[Planeswalker]

^^ (Im tryin not be a smartass here but I cant resist) except Rock Lee lol ^_^

[Ethanol]

I vote for Sasuke. Ishida can be powerful with the glove, and even his "final" shot when he takes the glove off, but I think Sasuke can take him down. Sharingan, curse seal, ninja...yeah, Sasuke gets the win in my book.

[Shinji]

I think Sasuke would own him so bad!

[eiChi]

nah~ i think they gona be even..

[Undying]

Interesting to see that peeople are underestimating Ishida like that. When e took off his glove, he had enough power to bring down a low-tier captain who keeps cheating to gain advantage. Sasuke, even with level 2 curse seal, is not nearly enough to beat a 7th seat. Ishida, on normal mode with glove, was eating a 7th seat for breakfast. As for tactical advantages, Sasuke may be able to perform Genjutsu to fool Ishida, but given Ishida's intelect and his Quincy abilities, he'd beat Sasuke. I refer to the so called "final shot" Ishida used to bring down Mayuri. That shot was packing enough power to beat a Bankai, and that's no easy task. But beyogn that, do you honestly believe that Ishida couldn't fire another one? Or another more? The fact that he gave a single hard breath after firing it doesn't mean hr cannot fire it once again. If Ishida ahs just taken off the glove, he is like Naruto at full power (I am refering to the full power that has been recently presented in the manga, not the one tail he used during his fight with Sasuke), and thus is far stronger than Sasuke (if Naruto was able to use the power he is using now - chapter 294 of the Manga - which is reputadly si powerful itr nearly killed a legendary Sanin, he'd tear Sasuke apart as he was during their first battle). Besides that, what makes you think that Chakra=Reiatsu? As I recall, Chakra is the bodies energy. Reiatsu is the densety of the soul (Spirit Pressure). They are not the same.

[Rmage]

Lol...so in depth, but I like it. I agree. One thing though, isn't chakra a mix of the body's energy and the mind or spirit's energy?

[Wanderweiss]

Dude wtf are you talking about? Where on earth would you assume Sasuke couldn't take out a 7th seat? Is there any justification or are you just going to say it? Ishida with glove off could own bankai blah blah blah. What good is amazing speed and strength... (Also, Sasuke was about as fast as Rock Lee, Rock Lee tore up the ground when he ran, did Ishida do anything like that?) when your opponent can see every move you're going to make ahead of time? Come on people, we can't even begin to compare the two anime because they're in two totally different universes. Its like trying to compare people from ANY anime to dragonball z. It just doesn't happen.

[_Ink]

Posting in a bleach forum asking if Sasuke would win Ishida?
Nope, Ishida wins by far.
I am bias for guys who shoots arrows than with strength and overpowered abilities....

[kobura]

I'm just waiting for Ishida to finish his training with his father but for now he's way too weak to take on Sasuke.
BTW THEY'RE BOOTH 15 NOW.

[Ichigo1234]

I like Ishida but Sasuke is cool so I perfer him

[Undying]

Dude wtf are you talking about? Where on earth would you assume Sasuke couldn't take out a 7th seat? Is there any justification or are you just going to say it? Ishida with glove off could own bankai blah blah blah. What good is amazing speed and strength... (Also, Sasuke was about as fast as Rock Lee, Rock Lee tore up the ground when he ran, did Ishida do anything like that?) when your opponent can see every move you're going to make ahead of time? Come on people, we can't even begin to compare the two anime because they're in two totally different universes. Its like trying to compare people from ANY anime to dragonball z. It just doesn't happen.
a. don't go insulting people who try to argue rationally.
b. Rock Lee tore the ground when he ran. blah blah blah. Ishida moved so fast a captain was not able to see him at all. A captain. As much as I hate Mayuri, you cannot deny he has power. Also, my so called justification for Sasuke's weakness is simple. He can predict what his enemy's movements will be, but he can only do it if a. he sees the enemy (which won't happen with Ishida, too fast) or b. he can see the enemy's muscles (since Sharingan works that way - you don't predict the future, you can use the enmy's slight tension of the muscle to predict his movemets <---Sasuke's explanation of the Sharingan). In the case of a Zanpaku-to of ranged type, you can't use it because the missels have no muscles! (I was refering to the Kamaitachi guy when I said 7th seat) Besides that, put Sasuke against Mayuri. Will Sasuke win? No. Period. No matter how strong he is, Ishida with the glove recently off packs enough power to take down almost any opponent of captain class (with the possible exeption of the senior and seniormost captains - Byakuya(the guy's a Shinigami for a looong time), Ukitake, Shunsui, Yamamoto, Aizen, Unohana, Urahara, Yoroichi and the recently discovered Shinigami (spoiler for the Anime watchers and I'm too lazy to use a spoiler tag. Enough to say it's a very surprising person:winking56, and obviously, Ichigo in Bankai mode (but he's the main character, it doesn't count)). A simple comparison, and we already see that Sasuke, in this situation, is dead meat. Now as for Sharingan and seeing your opponent ahead of time... Lets go a bit off topic and compare Sasuke to Byakuya. Who will win? Byakuya. Simply because a. he has amazing speed and b. his Zanpaku-to negates the effects of Sahringan (seeing as it is not the enemy attacking). Now back OT, Ishida, when he took off his glove, reiceved a huge power boost, both in speed and in raw power. His weapon is ranged, therfore it negates the effects of Sharingan as a side-effect, thus rendering Sasuke's main attribute useless. With Chidori as his only move (fire techniques? don't make me laugh. A single arrow and there isn't much fire anymore), Sasuke is dead meat.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Sasuke's weak, under no circumstances he is weak, but he will lose against Ishida. Btw, about Chakra, can anyone find the Manga chapter where the explanation was? It will give us more info as too how to match up the Naruto characters VS the Bleach characters (of course Byakuya owns all! XD)

[Rmage]

Oh man, what an argument. Go Undying!

[Undying]

Ooooh I have supporters... XD I'm just trying to set things straight here. And btw, they aren't my "all time favorites".

[Rmage]

Lol...they're not mine either, but I thought it would be a good pick since they're both done by the same voice actor. I wonder which one the voice actor likes better.

[Planeswalker]

^^ He would probably like Ishida better. The only people I know who acually like Sasuke are girls...and very few of them are up to the whole betraying Konoha bit yet.

[Yozen]

Now lets take a moment to think about after the fight. I think the majority of us here belive that Ishida would win (me too) but unfortuatly, Ishida's so soft hearted that he couldnt carry out the "death" part in a "fight to the death" eventually letting Sasuke run away. But in order to beat sasuke, Ishida would have to break his glove to get the power boost. I dont doubt that sasuke would attack again with poor o' Ishida without any kind of defence. Now, i watch Bleach up-to-date but i've only seen up to ep 35 of naruto. So that means: I dunno if thats somthing Sasuke would do; I dont know if Ishida regains any of his power. Well thats my two cents.

[Planeswalker]

^^ I think we are just talking about one fight here not a whole 1v1 war

[Yozen]

Yea, i guess i try to look at the way-to-big picture sometimes. I kinda felt the same way in Bleach. The last day in Soul Society, I was really hoping for Mayuri and Ishida to have another confrontation...

[Planeswalker]

Ishida would have been owned...we cant have that happening, especially by "it"

[ChansteR]

Ishida is dead, Sasuke, if you are including his current form with cursed seal and all, then yea Ishida is dead even if he had big power boost like before, he still dead

[Boko]

Hahahaha easy choice Sasuke will wtf pwn Ishida :D

[Planeswalker]

Hahahaha easy choice Sasuke will wtf pwn Ishida :D

Great argument!!! lots of evidence there :eek13:

[eiChi]

hmm..after reading undying-kun's posts....n yea...i think ishida is far more better thn sasuke-kun....^.^U

[Rmage]

Ishida can kill if he wants to, as we saw he was intent on destroying Mayuri. So, if he really wanted to kill Sasuke, he'd be able to do it.

[M-50]

Like Planeswalker said we need to know which sasuke and which ishida. if you were to take them as they are right now in the anime series then sasuke probably. If nyone disagrees then let me know why.

[Undying]

Hmmm... true. Because I was refering to Ishida right after removing his glove. In that case, Sasuke dies. However, if we take them as they are now (latest in the Manga, there were some comments as to Sasuke's strength), and Ishida as he is now (powerless, he has zero Reiatsu), then Sasuke would beat him. However... the argument is about if Ishida would beat Sasuke if he have just removed the glove and is using the entire power boost. In that case, he owns Sasuke. Azn-Chan, what makes you think Sasuke would eeat Ishida when Ishida has the power boost from breaking the glove?

[Yoruichi's Sister]

Definetly Sasuke. he's waaaaaay hotter XD
i thought he's stronger than Ishida, but i got persuaded by Rmage: that kawarimi and genjutsu is not that powerful and wont work on Ishida...
but i still voted 4 Sasuke=D

[Undying]

Well aren't those logical reasons... :D

[Yoruichi's Sister]

..maybe...

[Random Havoc]

I think it's sasuke. No bog reason, but I don't think Ishida would hold his own against his sharingan...

[blackmary]

i choose Sasuke although they're both gay for me! :p

[Rmage]

I think people should take into account that Ishida has been the most useful person in the fillers. He's the most level-headed, and he's the one who gets things done.

[Undying]

That's true. Also people, check out my previous posts, I mentioned there why the Sharingan is useless against Ishida. But hey. don't get me wrong, I am talking on very specific situations. Right now, as Ishida and Sasuke are, Sasuke will pwn Ishida (who has no powers due to removing his glove)

[Rmage]

Hmm...I've been wondering about that. How's he gonna get his powers back? If it's a spoiler, don't tell me.

[Undying]

It's a spoiler. But he will. Enough said.

[SmallKid57]

sasuke... his sharingan and his "cursed seal form" can destroy ishida...

[Undying]

What makes you say that, SmallKid? Or a more accurate question: to what state of Ishida and Sasuke are you refering? Ishida who just removed his glove and Sasuke as he was during his second fight with Naruto? Or Ishida now and Sasuke as per chapter 294 of the Naruto Manga?

[Captain BenZ]

Voting for Sasuke because you girls (guys?! o.O;;) think that he is hot is very simple minded of you people...

Jesus, that is a well, thought out explanation Undying, lol. I pretty much have to agree with Undying. Voted for Ishida.

[SmallKid57]

well im not caught up on the manga with bleach. but im talking about the sasuke in the latest naruto manga... i dont really know how strong ishida is now in the manga, but im referring to him when he took off his glove to fight mayuri.

ishida might be stronger in the manga, but i dont really no...

[Undying]

In the Manga, Ishida is currently powerless. As for Sasuke, there is absolutly no way to judge his strength, since we heaven't saw him fighting. So if you compare Sasuke as he is in the latest Naruto Manga (after Orochimaru's training) to Ishida after he took off his glove... I don't think we can compare them yet.

[ChansteR]

hmmm this whole situation changes between people depending on the state of each person it is, with Ishida with his removed glove and like Sasuke with his cursed seal and powers and crap, i dont know but as his current state, Sasuke would win or with Sasuke in his current form and Ishida with removed glove, OHHH THE POSSIBILITES!!! Sharigan isnt much help since Ishida isnt much a hands on fighter

[Undying]

Exactly. That's why I keep saying that caliming that Sasuke will win because he has Sharingan is pointless.

[ChansteR]

unless sasuke's sharingan can read a 200 mph energy arrow flying at him, its pretty useless

[SmallKid57]

but sharingan can read stuff coming at him 200 mph... remember when he watched Rock Lee fight Gaara... and sharingan can c the opponents next move.

[Rabid_Wolverine]

Why is the poll Sasuke and Naruto? I personally prefer Sasuke. He's eay cooler. Although it does seem that they guy who does their voices does the voices for the anime fags.

[choking]

Sasuke all the way! ^ ^

[SLVR]

Sasuke would PWN Naruto. But Ishida going all out would be much closer. Uchiha Sasuke FTW

[Rmage]

The only reason Sasuke was able to see Lee's movements was because he was watching from the sidelines. If he was the one undergoing Lee's attacks, he'd have no time to watch him and see his moves.

[Undying]

but sharingan can read stuff coming at him 200 mph... remember when he watched Rock Lee fight Gaara... and sharingan can c the opponents next move.
Sharingan can predict an enemy's next move by the tension of his muscles. That's why a ranged weapon user nulifies the Sharingan, seeing as his weapons have no muscles to tense and have wide range destruction. However, the outcome of this match depends on the time, place, and the health of each. ;)

[sparkle_freeze]

ah, but sasuke is at his all-time most powerful with the curse seal..

[Undying]

Again, that depends on Ishida's state. If Ishida is at the same power as he was right after removing the glove, he'll own Sasuke even with the Cursed Seal.

[SmallKid57]

well i still think sasuke would win... b/c the cursed seal and all that stuffers, but then again u cant compare the two b/c they're from different series... and in different series they have different "powers" and stuffers...

[Kabane]

As Undying said, it all depends on Ishida's state. I dont think that currently in the anime Ishida would stand a chance but with the removed glove state he would easily kill Sasuke.

on the sharingan. It cant actually predict the future, its all on the user. THe Sharingan allows the user to see their thoughts and read their movements a little easier than the normal eye. Then it is up to the user to interpret it and attack accordingly.

[Kenta]

sasuke win win, sadly simply because he has the matured sharingan. He can predict when, where the arrows will be shot.

[Undying]

You are forgetting that Sharingan doesn't work on missles. How many imes must I reapeat it? Sharingan uses the slight tension of the opponents muscles in order to perfectly predict their movements. The arrows Ishida shoots have no muscles to tense, and therofre Sharingan won't be able to predict their movemnts. End of Sharingan theory.

[Kenta]

If he can predict his movements when he pulls back the arrows, then he might able to dodge them.

[Undying]

The only thing the Sharingan will predict in this case is the realeasing of the bowstring. And Sasuke already knows that he will release it. Btw, sorry for sounding so anooyed at thhe post above, I am just frustrated because I can't seem to get soemthing working... Sorry for taking it out here... ;_;

[Rmage]

Don't worry, man. I understand how you feel. I've seen how many times you've had to repeat yourself.

[Undying]

Finally, some understanding... ;_; (Rmage, thanks for the support! :) )

[Rmage]

hahaha...anytime. I myself have done the same.

[Hitsugaya_Toushiro]

Sasuke, cause i like think hes stronger than ishida. and i like sasuke better.

[choujiwong]

Ishida...coz he has better brain than sasuke..sasuke's just acting cool..

[Undying]

Actually, Ishida's number one at acting cool...

[SmallKid57]

well sasuke got training under orochimaru... and probably knows like 200 techniques now since he copied them with sharingan... well idk...

[Shinji]

Ishida...coz he has better brain than sasuke..sasuke's just acting cool..
I think Sasuke is as smart as Ishida but he sure is acting cool but that's not negative :)

[cheesydud]

sasuke is cool and has the sharingan and everything
but ishida is smarter

[SmallKid57]

sasuke is also smart... he's thought of as a genius...

[ADMBird]

Sasuke...cus hes smart and cool.

[SmallKid57]

sasuke... b/c he's smart and cooler and knows more techniques!

[Behold the Void]

Before I start, I must point this out.

ZOMG SAME SEIYUU! (http://imdb.com/name/nm1617276/)

*ahem*

This is going under the assumption that they're both at full power, meaning Ishida as he was when he removed the glove (and may be after he gets his powers back).

Ishida's speed was surpassing a Captain-level shunpo. I admit my knowledge of Naruto is limited, but from what I've seen that's WAY faster than a shinobi can move. Ishida is simply too fast, Sasuke wouldn't be able to follow his movements.

I'll just point to Undying-san's argument about the sharingen, because it's in order. The sharingan is useless at predicting the movements beyond the fact that Ishida is about to fire an arrow, and possible to some degree the angle at which he's firing, which means nothing considering how fast the arrow itself flies.

Also, Ishida's analytical abilties are probably on par with Sakura's, who, as I understand, is far better at analyzing and reacting to a situation than Sasuke is.

Sasuke's attacks wouldn't touch Ishida. Ishida's arrows, however, would certainly harm Sasuke. One would probably be enough to vaporize Sasuke, and Ishida can shoot a lot of them. He fires quite a few against Mayuri.

So yes. Ishida wins easily.

[Gundamblueriver]

On every level, Ishida is much better than Sasuke. Besides, Sasuke sucks and is all evil and stuff. Ishida is cool and is a good guy. Sorry, but there is no comparison. BTW I'm not just saying this because Ishida is my favorite character from anything ever and I hate Sasuke. I'm saying it because he is in all ways superior.

[Sunfire249]

Hmm, I'd have to say Ishida. Not only has Ishida lived a few years longer than Sasuke, but he's probably much more experienced in many levels.... I'm not just saying this because I like Ishida more (Since I think Sasuke is cooler) but I think it's true. That and even though Sasuke has sharingan/gen (However you spell it) He still wouldn't be able to detect Ishida's movements.

[SmallKid57]

actually he can detect ishida's movements with sharingan... his sharingan is really improved since he's been taught by orochimaru... and he sees things like super super super super slow motion... and he can c idk certain number of seconds into the future...

[blazedsouls]

wth man.. comparing naruto to bleach...
ishida...

[SmallKid57]

i wanna no wut ishida has got on sasuke... i mean he can move fast but so can sasuke and use the puppet technique thingy, both have a strong will... but sasuke knows many more techniques than ishida, who shoots arrows, moves fast, and does that puppet thingy.

[Behold the Void]

Ishida moves faster than a captain's Shunpo. Mayuri is more than likely a moderate-leveled Captain, although head-on combat isn't his specialty. That's really fast. Sasuke just isn't that fast.

And Ishida's arrows move even faster than Ishida. Sasuke can't dodge them, and did you see what one arrow did to Mayuri's bankai? It would literally vaporize Sasuke the first time it hit.

[Velvy]

Sasuke's level surpasses Jounin-level ninjas. Ishida's Quincy powers aren't quite up to par yet, until he manifests his master technique (that he used on Mayuri) which took on Mayuri's bankai technique. Sasuke's not as fast as say Rock Lee, so I doubt he'd be able to dodge it. So, unless Ishida uses his most powerful attacks, Sasuke would win.

And Sasuke has all the personality of a door, so Ishida wins on personality.

[Rmage]

I don't know. Sure, Sasuke might be able to beat ordinary Jounin's, but can he beat people like Kakashi, the Sannin, or even his brother?

[Undying]

True enough. Moreover, you people just keep ignoring what the Sharingan is. It's not seeing the future/ It's not seeing things in slow-mo. What Sharingan is, it's a way to predict a living, human opponents movements by the tension of his muscles. Ishida a. does not move his legs while useing the Quincy version of Shunpo, and b. his arrows have no muscles, therfore they're movements cannot be predicted by the Sharingan. Period.

[Rmage]

I find it interesting how, in the polls, Sasuke was leading by a great margin, but Ishida seems to be slowly catching up. Go Ishida!

[Undying]

Yeah, because there are some people who bother loking at facts and not refering to their favorite character.

[_senbonzakura_]

why most of you people think that Ishida will win against Sasuke?.....after he lost his Quincy powers he is just an ordinary guy who can analyse the enemies tactics, but nothing else....Sasuke is going to smash Ishida.....i am telling you...!!!!!

[captain_soifon]

Methinks ishida has no powers left after fighting mayuri so would get owned

All i see in the polls is naruto and sasuke

[Rmage]

Just to fill you in. When I started this thread, I said to compare Ishida and Sasuke both at their best. This is supposed to be a full on, "life or death," no holds battle.

[captain_soifon]

Hmm at best.. so ishida has his glove-off power? well ishida has to beat him in about 5 minutes or lose and sasuke would go curse seal two and has sharingan which would help him avoid ishida. so i think sasuke

[Rmage]

Don't forget, Sasuke can't stay in Lvl. 2 for very long either because the curse seal drains his life force.

[_senbonzakura_]

Don't forget, Sasuke can't stay in Lvl. 2 for very long either because the curse seal drains his life force.
well, it doesnt matter, there is still a posibility for Sasuke to win....*crosing my fingers for Sasuke...go Sasuke-chan*:headbang:

[Marke]

Sasuke´s is deadly.

[_senbonzakura_]

finaly someone else on Sasuke`s side......*happy*

[Nood]

Just because of the fact that i hate both, i give them a tie.
A tie that ends with both killing eachother. :D
But anyway Ishida is superior to sasuke.

[Marke]

those that say Four Eyes would win, have you even seen Sasuke vs Gaara in the Arena?

how could Four Eyes win vs that? :)

and why is the vote Naruto vs Sasuke? ^^

[SmallKid57]

idk y the vote is naruto and sasuke... just ignore it...

sasuke can stay in lvl 2 cursed seal longer... orochimaru taught him to control it....
so yea, sasuke all the way.

[Undying]

How do you know Orochimaru did teach him that? It's no mentioned anywhere. Ishida VS Gaara when Ishida is at his fullest - Ishida wins. His arrowns will beat Gaara's Shield, plus he moves faster than the Sand Shield. And even if he has learned that, think on what will happen after Ishida finishes his training with his dad? He will obviously be stronger than even woth the power boost from the glove removal.

[SmallKid57]

sasuke learned how to control the lvl 2 and probably lvl 3 or beyond b/c remember the ppl who took him away gave him the pill stuff to momentarily control lvl 2... and they said they themselves could control lvl 2 easily.... so yea sasuke should be able to learn that. and orochimaru said to him that he'd help him become more powerful...so yea he knows probably a lot of jutsus...

[Rmage]

Heh, your spoiler tags didn't work Undying, but oh well, I read it. Also, Lee at his best is faster than Gaara's sand, but Lee is not faster than a Captain's Shunpo. Shunpo means flash step, so Captain's can go very far ver quickly, as we saw Yoruichi and Kyouraku do. Even Genryuusai commented on Kyouraku's flash step. Now, I don't think Ishida is faster than Yoruichi (although it could be slightly possible) but I think he's faster than Lee.

[Phoenix-X]

Shida will win; all he need is one shot and Sasuke is dead

[Kabane]

Now, I don't think Ishida is faster than Yoruichi (although it could be slightly possible) but I think he's faster than Lee.
Ishida himself doesnt have to be faster, his attacks do. Which i think they are.

probably lvl 3
no.

There isnt any way that Sasuke has a chance to beat Ishida at his fullest.

[Undying]

@Rmage - sorry. I edited my post *bows a million times* sorry sorry!
@Anyone this applies to - There's no level three, they said that level two is the highest Curese Seal level (or else Kimimaru would've used it against Gaara, he was inteneding to kill him and Lee). Curse Seal lvl 2=hurts the user. Ishida with the power boost from the glove gets a. brutal force higher than any exept the senior-most Captains, and b. enough power to beat a Bankai of a Captain. Think about it for a moment. Gin (prior to Aizen's betrayal) VS Sasuke, who would win? Gin, since he is a captain. When Ishida took of the glove, he was packing enough juice to pose a serios threat to even Yamamoto, and that's something. Sasuke, even with level 2 Curse Seal and all, wouldn't beat Renji. See the difference in level? Also, about Bankai - though most of you would put Mayuri on "teh weakest" list, you should consider that Mayuri is a Captain. A Captain is always strong, or else there's no reason for him to be a Captain. Beating a Captain level Bankai is something that most people would be incapable of.

[Rmage]

That's very very true.

[Undying]

Heck, I'm always right. And if it looks like I'm wrong, know that I'm just testing your knowlege, not stating something wrong.

[Rmage]

Hahaha...a little arrogant, but when you're right, you're right.

[Undying]

No! I am always right!!!!!!!!! No matter what, I'm right!!!1 :D
(speaking to self: yeah you wish)

[Rmage]

Heh...you're right cause you state facts.

[Undying]

Exactly. I always try to base myself on facts. Not theories I catch by accident.

[Rmage]

ooohhh...the poll is at a tie...Who's gonna break it?