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_Ink
02-13-2006, 04:41 PM
Ok, before you all go ballistic, here is my proof from my journeys into the many cultures of manga and comics.

An artist, famous in Hong Kong and many places, Mr. Ma Wing Sing (my translation) created a hong kong kung fu comic that speaks of the adventures of two honorary men, Wind and Cloud.

Fast forward the history lesson, let me describe the things I noticed.
Cloud wields a black sword "Ultimate Superior Sword" or Jue Shi Hao Jian (roughly translated to "Extinct, Great, Sword")

http://www.kungfucinema.com/images/2006/010701.jpg
and the powers are generally similiar to Zangetsu, it is extremely tough, no sword can match its forgery, and each strike from the sword is an impressive by-the-tonnage strike. It can practically kill with the first strike.

Cloud's (步驚雲) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bou_Keng_Wan) sword is named the way because it acknowledges its master, otherwise, like Excalibur, it refuses to submit to the person, problem is, if you are not the chosen wielder, you will be killed, (if I remember correctly, the moment you even touch it, your body will explode or be consumed by it), anyway, I find this similiar to the natures of Zangetsu.
Zangetsu does not really tell people who he is, what he is, Ichigo has to learn for himself, similiar to this blade, it is shrouded in mystery, and although it does not have an "avatar" the blade has a spirit, and it is practically one hell of a tough blade, much like Zangetsu, it has no extreme abilities, only the wielder over time, training, can began to absord and mould their own sword techniques onto the blade itself.

Now, comes Wind's (聶風) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nip_Fung) blade. The Blizzard Sabre (雪飲刀)

This blade, like Rukia's represent white and serenity, and it is the most beautiful as well (deeper parts of the manga will mention this). His sword is of the elemental ice, and the powers include the casting of blizzards with his sword technique, and to such a point that, the moment he swings the blade, around him all things shall be frozen. Only he and his blade can match the power of the Ultimate Superior Sword. In both technique and power, the reason is of course, not just the two most powerful blades, but also the person wielding it.

They are brothers of sort, the story here: Storm Riders in a nutshell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Storm_Riders)
Their training in martial arts surpasses all of the others, and also, not many has mastered their sword technique to a phase where it does not even need the sword anymore, the body is the sword. Hence, "Gods of the Sword" was also branded upon them. Two of the most powerful martial arts experts of the entire world setting.
I will skip the rest, and find out yourself if you really wanna know.
The point of this thread?

Notice how Zangetsu is black, so is the Ultimate Superior Sword
Heck, their shape even looks similiar, like a mix between bankai and shikai too.

Notice that like Zangetsu, it is a sword that needs the wielder to understand it, in order to best wield its insamountable powers.
Notice that it is wielded by the lead. Also the toughest sword around.

Notice the Blizzard Sabre, how much it looks like Rukia's Sode no Shirayuki?
and how much it looks like the same ability of ice?
or if you are into Hitsugaya more, how much it resembles the both of these swords? Hyourinmaru and Sode no Shirayuki.

I don't think it is just coincidence, there are too many matching facts.

But again, what is there stopping Kubo from taking their ideas heh?

HitsuOri
02-13-2006, 04:54 PM
Are you indicating Ichigo and Rukia are meant to be brothers and not lovers??

hahahaha.....just kidding.

But to tell you the truth.....the swords and what it can do, is not the main story of Bleach.

One cannot prove KT to copy that HK story....there are other swords which are just as magnificient and much better than the ones mentioned. Besides, I don't think that is Ichigo's final sword release form. There can be other much more powered up and cool form.

_Ink
02-13-2006, 04:59 PM
not that I say anything, but it is too similiar, both are black and white
one of them is a matching ice and "most beautiful sword" the black one looks similiar between a mix of Bankai and Shikai Zangetsu. and NO, there will not be a final release form, that is his Bankai, it will remain that way and no more, there is no Sankai in case you haven't noticed.
There is also no Senkei for Ichigo, that applies only to Byakuya, and it is an ability of the sword not a sword release form.

Shinji
02-13-2006, 05:10 PM
Interesting, sure, but I don't think it's true. I believe it's just a coincident.

HitsuOri
02-13-2006, 06:07 PM
not that I say anything, but it is too similiar, both are black and white
one of them is a matching ice and "most beautiful sword" the black one looks similiar between a mix of Bankai and Shikai Zangetsu. and NO, there will not be a final release form, that is his Bankai, it will remain that way and no more, there is no Sankai in case you haven't noticed.
There is also no Senkei for Ichigo, that applies only to Byakuya, and it is an ability of the sword not a sword release form.

You sure?? Then poor Ichigo. He will never be able to defeat Aizen's creations and Aizen himself, if he is really stagnant in that bankai form.

Qc0Jh1axT
02-13-2006, 06:19 PM
Perhaps you may be right, BUT, there's also coincidence. And even if you insist coincidence is not possible, other than the colour of the swords and what their powers are, there are no further resemblence in the story and plot of Bleach and the Wind and Cloud comic.

Many comic artists, including mangaka or book authors' ideas are from various sources. These sources inspire them to start something new, and they develop their story on the basis of the idea. This is nothing new. For example, in almost every story, there is a villain who wants to control the world. This is the most basic of all basic plots, and people just weaves a story revolving it. I have seen Wind and Cloud, and Bleach is not even close to resembling its storyline.

_Ink
02-13-2006, 06:20 PM
My point is that, he can train with the sword, achieve a little more here and there, and then he will rise (like any hero will) and also, doesn't that match the story of the Hong Kong comic I mentioned? The sword is not the primary strength, what matters is the user himself.

Ileenka: I did not mention the plot is similiar, in fact, it is 100 million miles different, Storm Rider's story is far longer and far more pointless pulling and pulling the story than otherwise Bleach would. I mentioned the similiarities in the two lead characters with Bleach's two lead characters.

Qc0Jh1axT
02-13-2006, 06:51 PM
Ahhh, I don't know... are the Wind and Cloud comics translated into Japanese as well?

Undying
02-13-2006, 09:57 PM
You sure?? Then poor Ichigo. He will never be able to defeat Aizen's creations and Aizen himself, if he is really stagnant in that bankai form.
Ichigo can barely use one technique with his bankai and is yet to master it (neither has Hollow Ichigo). He still has time to give us new abilities and new techniques. He is the main character, after all.
Now dd, I went and checked a bit myself, and you know what? I discovered a similiarity between Samurai Deeper Kyo and Bleach. It's about Tenru and Zangetsu's abilities. Interestingly enough, the same can be said about that story. You see, Zangetsu an dTenru are both the same when it comes to power - they both have a ming of their own, and the user needs to bend the sword to his will (understand the sword, not use it as a tool). Tenru awakened Kyo's latent ability, and Zangetsu does pretty much the same to Ichigo, increasing his power (and since Zangetsu is actually an extension of Ichigo's soul, it's actually Ichigo's power he is giving him). So... the swords idea's the same... so the Manga's took their ideas from the same place?:eek13: come om, you know no idea can be truly new. Someone. somewhere has used it already.

SmallKid57
02-14-2006, 08:29 PM
it seems pretty alike... but then again it could just be a coincidence...

Lovekiller93
02-16-2006, 08:53 AM
I believe its just a mere coincidence, as others say.
Its not really all alike anyways.
eg: compare Kurosaki Ichigo to Cloud Strife.. pretty similar yet so different

choking
02-16-2006, 12:50 PM
anything happens in this world! ^ ^

_Ink
02-16-2006, 12:59 PM
Ahhh, I don't know... are the Wind and Cloud comics translated into Japanese as well?

Not really.
however, u can get in english tho, but it is not free, you have to buy it.
By now, the third generation (3000 books later)
is running.

yeah, well, u said it was coincidence, but to have something so similiar?
Black blade, ice blade....
black and white, character wise also....
and plus, one of the ever long running ManHwa seris (Hong Kong comics) and one of the most popular.

Sorian
02-16-2006, 01:39 PM
I could find a bunch of stories about super powerful swords. Coincidence

_Ink
02-16-2006, 01:47 PM
oh well, just stating what I found to be similiar.