same sex marriages

[Malicious insomniac]

i have a lonnnngggg post on this on some other site, but i'm too lazy to retriieve it now so in the mean time, express ur opinions

[Ninja48]

Depends what kind of marriage. If its like HOLY CHURCH BONDING YOU TOGETHER BY GOD marriage, I dont think they should do that cause its against the Bible =S. If its legal, well they should be able to get married cause the constitution says that everyone has legal rights.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Umm.. There are legal to get marry the same sex these days.. (or is it not, i think it's here at least) :\ I can't remember... Dang.. Oh well.

My opinion. Let them do it. I mean why not. why shouldn't they get married and show their love for each other like other couples.. Im all for it. 100%

[Wave]

Depends what kind of marriage. If its like HOLY CHURCH BONDING YOU TOGETHER BY GOD marriage, I dont think they should do that cause its against the Bible =S. If its legal, well they should be able to get married cause the constitution says that everyone has legal rights.
By golly, you're right! never saw thought of it that way before.

yeah thats right let thems have there "legal" marriages...cuz if its like holy church thing then they're just being arrogant about the teachings of the bible and stuff

[Cirith Kyoko]

If you feel like it then yes do it.
why not ?
"it gives extra rights" -> yea so ?
(usa) it's in the consitution that a marriage is between man and wife
the consitution should change then cous times change

but thats my opinion :p

[omen]

I don't see why there should be a problem with a gay legal union... but why would gays want to call it marriage? Marriage term has church all over it. Gays should know that the church wants nothing to do with them.

[Kibou]

civil unions should be allowed and all states should allow all forms of it and should have the same rights as a married same sex couple--just not a legal title of MARRIED since it's so controversial

[park]

well like they say marriage is a christian institution, and homosexuality is a sin according to us, no ifs and or buts about it, and as a christian i find it very offensive that gays are asking to get married under god, its a slap in the face to us like taking a big ol christmas ham and force feeding a muslim.

i have absolutly no problem with gays having a civil union, i have no problem with gays having the same rights as married people do

and its not that the church wants nothing to do with them, but it certainly doesnt want to encourage it, homosexuality is a sin, same as lying or sexual impropriety and the bible clearly says there are no degrees of sin, i am just as bad as a lyer or a fornicator or a gay and the church is glad to take them in but its not going to say hey we'll make an exception in your case, i have men that are gay at my church, the difference is that they while being tempted with homosexuality are able to withstand the temptation. its not a sin to be tempted, its a sin to act on the temptation

[Destiny]

well like they say marriage is a christian institution, and homosexuality is a sin according to us, no ifs and or buts about it, and as a christian i find it very offensive that gays are asking to get married under god, its a slap in the face to us like taking a big ol christmas ham and force feeding a muslim.

i have absolutly no problem with gays having a civil union, i have no problem with gays having the same rights as married people do

i agree with you :/

[Priest]

Marriage, as far as I've been taught, is the "short form" way of saying "the sacriment of marriage". As it is a sacriment, the pope is the one who gets the final decision of yay/nay on whether or not the homosexual community can be seen as married under the eyes of the christian god.

A civil union, on the other hand, is judged by the state/province/country/whathaveyou. The decision if homosexuals can have a civil union should be left up to the voters. However, it doesn't seem like a direct poll of the voters will ever happen, likely due to the fact that there is too damn many of us. All this occurs above our heads in the higher forms of government.

So until such a poll is presented to the general populas, my response is always going to be "Let 'em do as they wish. It's no skin off my back."

[Paint]

Politically, it should be allowed

Although in my own mind I do not like the idea. I never will.
It's a hard thing to accept I guess.

[tiffy]

=o i think gay ppl should be able to get married if they want to

[Tammy]

I don't really care if they marry or not. Its not hurting me, so I say if they want to, why stop them.

[Defiler]

It's no real concern of mine, but i agree with homosexuals not being aloud to marry in the biblical sense, as it's seen as a sin, as other people have allready described. However, I completely agree with the allowance of 'legal' marriages, as it was put, giving gay couples the same rights as heterosexual couples.

I mean, it's got to a stage where developed society should accept all people as equal, and I find it hard to think some people are still struggling for it.

[Revenge]

It's people choice to marry who they want.I support it.

[Lunatic]

Everyone who is gay is basically a rebel. Its your choice and many who are gay like it and are trying to be rebelious in my sense. i mean we are born to like a female its just instinct.

[s3xy]

well... personally i think its totally wrong.. and im a christian soo yeah that would be a sin.. god made us to be girl like boy.. not boy like boy or girl on girl... u kno?

but if they like dont marry under the bible then what the hey.. whatever.. thier choice

[Vicks]

whatever floats their boat...i feel if people debate it more...somehow they are going to turn the debate into marriages in general...and how the bible is an interpretation anyway so....what gives?

[Ronin]

As long as I don't have two guys frenching in my face, Im fine with it. =\

[s3xy]

lol ahahaha..

[Ronin]

Do pretty blonde lesbians exist? Or is that just a stigma created by the media. =\

Butch lesbians frenching is as bad as two guys =\

[Keira]

I don't support lesbian marriage since it's like believing the fact that 2 different sex was just a waste of time, but I think that it's better for those ppl to let them be bcz it's like violating they're rights whenever we like it or not. I don't lke to jump up to rushed conclusions and that's why I don't use the Bible's rules to decide this matter.

[KillerShinobi]

i say no...i jsut veiw it as wrong and yea against our instinct...we werent created to liek the same sex..liek stated above....blah

[Malicious insomniac]

i think that like all people, homosexual ppl have rights to express themselves sexually but to take it as far as marriage, i disagree.

Marriage - the legal union of a man and a woman in order to live together and often to have children.

Homosexual ppl getting married in a church imo is wrong but if the government or the gay and lesbian society can devise a means by which a homosexual couple can legaly be unionised by the government NOT the church, then i think that that can work.

[LMP]

In article 16 in the Universal Declaration of Human rights it states that all men and women have the right to marry regardless of race, ethnicity, or religion... it doesn't mention sexuality, and my opinion is that it should, but they ARE men and women and have the right to marry I guess.. it is a right :\\

But if religion is dragged into concern then thats a huge issue :\\

The united church has no problems with gay marriage though :D

[ramenkage]

In article 16 in the Universal Declaration of Human rights it states that all men and women have the right to marry regardless of race, ethnicity, or religion... it doesn't mention sexuality, and my opinion is that it should, but they ARE men and women and have the right to marry I guess.. it is a right :\\
but if marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman, then gay marriage is not valid

[Ronin]

It wouldn't be marriage. It would be a Civil Union. In New Zealand they have just been legalized.

[Koopsta Knicca]

I'm against it alot... I can't stand seeing gays!! I wish the all just get shot and die!! I hate gays... I say same sex mariage is wrong!!!

[LMP]

but if marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman, then gay marriage is not valid

I think the problem is that nowadays the concept of marriage can't really be defined by the dictionary since Canada, New Zealand, and Austria has already legalized it, and more and more countries are becoming aware that this is a fairly controversial issue that needs to be tackled :\\

Civil Union sounds good :\

@ above post: this is a debate corner, and we are civil people.. even if you want to say you don't like them, say it politely, none of this "i want them to get shot" sort of crap.

[ramenkage]

@post above (great idea for lazy people who dont like quotes): i think he should be able to debate using any language he wishes, however it needs to back up his statement with logic, or at least try to be persuasive

just because canada, new zealand, and austria legalized it doesnt mean that marriage is beyond the bounds of man and woman. its all interpretation. i myself dont have a preferance. and i still dont see the problem with civil union.

[Kon]

@entire thread lol

Honestly, the big hubbub that people are making out of the gay thing isnt quite what the majority of the country thinks. The media has screwed up...again. They tell the mass public that the Government is completely against gays and all thereafter. When in fact, the Goverment is against the gays wanting to be legalized in 'holy matrimony' (sp?). The Homosexual community think that it is their 'right' to be 'married' in a church as normal people, but they dont want to be considered normal and play by the rules, they want us to change to their demands. It's like saying, "I know it's your ball and you could go home if you want to, but I'm gonna tell my mommy to tell the teacher to make you change the games rules so I can win." And that just isnt right, they should get their own 'ball'.

So all-in-all, I am against it. I wish I could find the email that I was sent about how some Biblical Historians have dated entries and facts on many civilizations (similar to Ancient Rome, Babylon, etc), that once those civilization legalized gays, they fell completely and quickly. And as history does have a freakin' bad habit of repeating itself, I can completely see it happening to the US if we legalized gay marriage. I will try to find that email and show it.

I guess that's all from me.

[ramenkage]

nice post kon
the whole church deal is =/
you cant force a religion to change because its "unconstitutional", thats against the first amendment
gays have their marriage, its called civil union
instead of fighting for gay marriages, they should fight or equaler terms in civil unions

[Malicious insomniac]

the general concensus here is that gays should not be granted 'marrital status' but to appease their rights should be granted the option of 'civil unity'

[Schoulayer]

I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. The purpose is a union that creates children.

No, homosexuals should not be able to marry.

[ramenkage]

but do you think homosexuals couples deserve the same rights as straight couples?

[l33tpocky]

heres the thing im not gay but i know ppl that are gay and they are my friends i guess i could say that of course that dont make me gay im as sright as a guy can get but the thing is my friend told me theres even a gay curch out there that excepts gays but the gov pobly wont accept that as a legal maraige sure i would probly kill my self if i was gay cause i wouldnt be able to have children with my spouse and the fact that im not gay but
it dont afect me if a gay maries another gay has nothing to do with me ppl aer ppl it dont matter what their sexual oriantation is thats their bussinuss and the ppl that got a problem with it deal with it if they screw them selvs over let it be framkly i dont belive in organized religion i do belive in god and i do belive that god wants us to be good to each other and get along and do good stuff in general as long no one gets hurt whats it matter

[Schoulayer]

but do you think homosexuals couples deserve the same rights as straight couples?

Getting married is not a right

Nobody has the right to be married, its simply a legal status between a man and a woman.

Rights would be like the right to bear arms, free speech, ect - your born entitled to those things, they're inalienable, you can go through life without being married.

[ramenkage]

Getting married is not a right
but there are rights that comes with marriage...
alot of benifits like insurance and tax cuts, and thats why gay couples are fighting for marriage.
im with you on gay marriage is not a right, but i can agrue either way

[Zero]

Wow, there are a lot of weird post in this thread...

Can someone give me a passage in the bible(which isn't a good source of information unlike the Koran) which states that being gay is a sin(or agaist God's wishes)? If I remember correctly, it only abolishes gay sex, and not being gay itself. (I'm sorry I don't remember the bible that well, it's been a few years since I read it)

Whoever said liking the opposite sex is instinct. I'd like to see your Phd and your reasoning for this. Their are people who are vastly more intelligent then us that can't agree, and here you're saying it like cold hard facts. Please, this is a debate. Saying things like this without adding "In my opinion" is taboo.

There are a lot of other minor things I'd like to deal with, but now, at 12 am.. It's just not the time. -_- *yawn*

[WarLord]

Hmm, maybe it's because I'm not a big fan of marriage, but I think Homosexuals want to get married for the same reasons Heterosexuals do. The way I see it, Marriage is just "marking your territory." When I say territory, I mean claiming what you think is yours and no one else should **** with it. People think that if they get married, it'll decrease the chances of their partner falling in the arms of another person. It's like creating an invention, then asking for a patent.

There's other factors as to why ppl get married:

-Security purposes
-Starting a family
-Shelter and finances
-Love [big mistake...often times confused with lust.]
-Lust [If you know it's just lust and get married anyways....wow, that's just sad]


Now, it's rare that ppl would bring religion into the equation when it's time to get married. If the majority of ppl considered the religious association with marriage, then there'd be a hell of alot less divorces goin around. I think Homosexuals have the right to be just as happy [and miserable] as heterosexuals. No one has the right to tell ppl how they should express their freedom as individuals.

[kivol]

actually you people who say it is against the bible. well your actually not totally correct the bible doesn't say its only between a man and a women. this is not must, only thing in the sentence. the bible says a lot of things in marriage and this book was written 2000 years ago so i think we need to update the marriage part.

[nighthawksw]

Rights would be like the right to bear arms, free speech, ect - your born entitled to those things, they're inalienable, you can go through life without being married.
Are you saying we're not also born with the right to marry another sometime in our future if we so choose? I can go through my life without ever bearing arms, and some go through life without ever being capable of speaking. Even if everybody doesn't get married, it's still their right to make the choice.

btw, i concur with warlord~

[eze67]

the bible doesn't say that gays can't get married, it does say that the process of being gay is detestable in gods sight. just as adultry and murder ect. he sees no degrees between sins, but rather if you repent and change your ways after you learn his plan and that what your doing is bad. king david in the bible commited murder and adultry and yet it says he was a man after gods own heart, because he repented and was sorry for what he did and he changed his habits. i personaly don't agree with gay marriages, i think that eventualy it'll be legal because i don't expect anything short of sickness and deprivity from the world as it gets farther from god.

[missaw]

The Bible looks down upon homosexuality, so I don't believe gays should have Christian marriages. But I think they should be allowed to marry. I mean, hello- I live in the U.S. of A. Y'know, the "Land of the Free" where everyone supposedly has equal rights? Its hardly fair to say "You can't get married because you want to marry someone of the same sex." I think that religious institutions- such as Christianity, can refuse to wed homosexuals since it goes against their beliefs, but I don't believe that gays can be denied just getting married.

[nighthawksw]

either way, for those of you in california, it's being taken to the california supreme court. Chances are, things'll rule permitting same sex marriage. Why? because they're relating this issue to the interacial marriage issues of a few years back.

[sliverstorm]

Couple of stupid things about the argument. People resist often because Christianity condemns gay marrige. But wait! What about "seperation between church and state"? And what about the times in the past, with the issius of racial integration and women's rights. It was a big stinking deal, (note: each time, religion said it was a terrible thing) and now we don't care anymore. we realized it wasn't that big of a deal. And there are always the extremists who say if gay marrige is oked then everyone will marry gay and we'll doom the human population. Um, sorry. I for one will stay with my current sexual views. And my History teacher observed "well, if it's passed I'm not exactly gonna divorce my wife and marry a guy." Sheesh, if every person on the globe was secretly gay, then why is the all knowing god decreeing that we should marry opposite sex? The human population isn't dying anytime soon. They were scared with the racial integration that every white person would go out and marry a black person. OMG! Such horror! well, they didn't.

and the problem with the bible, and the blessing, (why it survived) is you can "interpret" it. (crummy spelling...) you can "prove" that the bible supports gay marrige, and "prove" that it condems it. Same for just about every issue. Just depends what the reader wants to hear.

[Lune]

Really in the end, i think it just shows people reverting back the way they always do. If you look through history, something freaky comes along, and people fear the hell out of it. Then we sit in history class today and go "weirdos". I think it should be legal cause i mean, legally just how is gunna hurt you? Legal = Govt and the church shouldnt have anything to do with the goverment. Seriously, im tired of people always throwing the bible in an argument that involves legal, school, or govt issues. It doesnt matter because if they want to be childish and get nitpicky and say "But it says man and woman!!!oneone1!" then it also says religion will keep its grubby paws off the law, so nullfy that reason. Getting married in a church is up to the church, but legally gay people should do whatever.

As for you "OMG i hate ghey peoplez!111!" thats nice but emotions should never rule an issue when it comes to laws. law's end up with consequences and if you make them out of emotion, then you make them without a clear mind and needlessly inhibit something unjustly, and more for personal reasons.

[Spine_Shank]

I think what happened with the ban of gay marriage in the US is extreme contradiction of the idea of liberty and freedom... wtf "the land of the free" cant tolerate homosexuals?

[hattoritenkosan]

i cant agree with gay marriage simply because i dont agree with homosexuality. Even so its still none of my business but america contradicts itself in SO many more ways than this i dont understand why everyone is so suprised

[sliverstorm]

We're not surpriesed, just frustrated.

Can you accept Homosexuality? Not neccasarily agree or get into it or whatever, but accept?

[kinonai]

I feel uncomfortable around lesbians (since I am a girl), although one of my close friends is one. Some of my guy friends are gay, and I don't feel 'scared' or anything around them. I personally think it should be legal. In fact, I think a lot of people in the US do...the problem is that the US is NOT really a free country. It's just a mask...

[dark_kitsune]

well like they say marriage is a christian institution

Actually marriage is not a christian or any other religious institution. Marriage is a social construct and has many, many different facets. There are arranged marriages, capture marriages, marriage between one man and multiple women, between one woman and multiple men (very rare) and of course marriage between people of the same sex.

Marriage is a social institution that distributes wealth (bride price, dowry), aligns kinship ties and forges alliances between different groups of people. The love or romance marriage common in the US and other industrial nations is a fairly small percentage of the types of unions in this world. Even the notion of the love marriage didn't involve religion until fairly recently (historically speaking).

Sooo....since marriage is a social construct the only thing holding back gay marriage in America is the puritanical beliefs that will forever be entwined in our system of government. Other countries are far more open minded about this than we (the US) are.

I personally think it's silly to get your panties in a bunch over such a topic. People who are consenting adults should be allowed to get married - who cares what sex they are?