On thin ice

[Raijukan]

I just saw 68-69 and I'm REALLY scared now cuase I can't think of any way the anime could patch up the damage its done as far as returning to the manga (which is as hot, if not hotter, than the sun).
1. First off, Rukia is most definately NOT supposed to be there, I swear if she pulls out her Shikai this early, I'm gonna kill somebody (if you read the manga and saw what it does then you understand).
2. Renji should not be there either (especially not in hippy clothes), matter of fact Urahara does not officially accept Renji into his house, I don't think so anyways.
3. No one supposed to know about Ishida's power loss except Orihime.
4. An finally Ichigo is supposed to be struggling with his hollow although that might be reflected in his inability to use Bankai.
So all I'm saying is I'm deeply worried. The current filler arc about the Bound seems interesting though but who knows:rolleye09

I present to you the correct use of the spoiler tags

[GaryDAI]

They could always go away before the filler arc ends. It's going to be 6 months probably.

You might want to put a spoiler warning :p

[Raijukan]

Sorry bout that, this was my first post and I'm not sure how to put a tag up but I'll do it next time. Anyways I hope your right but Rukia was the final straw, I just wish they won't do anything else of this magnitude

[M_Ghey]

Same. If you ask me, these fillers aren't really helping anyone. They are not bad, but, besides contradicting the manga, they can grow slightly tiresome.

[choking]

they are fillers... they dont help anyone

[GaryDAI]

I'd rather have these fillers, than no Bleach. Just as long as it doesn't get too ridiculous......

It would be funny if they killed Ichigo in the fillers though. I would like to see how they would clean that mess up! ^_^ The forum would probably explode too hehe

[blove54]

i really dont see why everyones worried about the surprises being ruined....how can they be surprises if you already kno about them? to me this filler arc is actually preety interestin good fillers....to me the surprise is how its gonna get back on track that will be good

[blade000]

screw the god damn manga...who cares about it? Let's just watch and actually be suprised about what happens instead of following some stupid comic and knowing everything already...jeez why would u want to know what happens and spoil it for urself?

[Planeswalker]

screw the god damn manga...who cares about it? Let's just watch and actually be suprised about what happens instead of following some stupid comic and knowing everything already...jeez why would u want to know what happens and spoil it for urself?

Screw the god damn manga? stupid comic? If it wernt for that "stupid comic" you would have no Bleach at all. Have some respect for the original you retard. In a true Bleach fans mind the anime will usually be second rate to the manga.

And do you know why we want to know what happens? because theres no point in waiting ages for the anime which is months behind the manga.

[Marke]

maybe its not fillers anymore, but just a diffrent path. maybe they dident like the outcome of the manga story. so they changed it in the anime for the better?

we can only wait and see

[blade000]

Screw the god damn manga? stupid comic? If it wernt for that "stupid comic" you would have no Bleach at all. Have some respect for the original you retard. In a true Bleach fans mind the anime will usually be second rate to the manga.
And do you know why we want to know what happens? because theres no point in waiting ages for the anime which is months behind the manga.

wtf gives u the right to define what a "true bleach fan" is. When somebody says "Bleach" who the hell thinks of the manga anymore? The new generation of bleach lovers was introduced to bleach by the anime not the manga so we, the "new true fans of bleach" now decree the anime to rule over the manga. So :doindadom u. Anime>>>>>>>>Manga anyday.

O and for the record, Screw u too "retard"

[Injektilo]

Hmmm, a tad flamehappy, no? Peace. The Manga is as always more important than the anime, hence the reason for fillers in the first place. They've already ripped out most of the comedy elements from the newer Mangas and seriously feckered with character introductions in ways that could be... disruptive. I hope they've been in constant contact with Kubo and are aware of the eventual progression of the story so they can avoid everything blowing up completely because I'm not liking the way they've handled some stuff as far as continuity goes thusfar.

[Undying]

True, if this keeps on like this it'll be hard for us to bear Bleach.
@blade000 - Hello to you too, moron. Let me explain something to you you might have misunderstood - the Manga is the basis to the Anime. No, there will be no Bleach if not for the "damn Manga". And, why the hell are you convinced that there are no surprises in the Manga? You are proving your own low intellect by stating that you won't "actually be surprised". You won't be surprised by the Anime, true, because it will have already happened. But the original storyline is by far better than the filler crap you are "surprised" with. It's my advice that you read the Manga (to the latest chapter), and see if you are not surprised by the storyline. I, for one, am a fan of both the Anime and the Manga. I read the Manga to get a better hold of the storyline (sinceit's the origin), and watch the Anime in order to see the characters animated. And a final advice, consider for a moment that you have not the rights to define a "true Bleach fan" either.

[blade000]

Alright, I understand that the Manga is the original. Whatever...All i'm saying is who gives a shit if the anime follows the manga or not? For people who don't read the manga it's all good and ppl who do read the manga should be grateful that they don't have to watch what they already know.

Originally, all i wanted to do was state my opinion on the subject. But then u "true bleach fans" had to ****ing start shit by calling me a moron and a retard. Well you know what? I don't give a ****. This is my god damn right as a human being to state my opinion, no matter how ****ed up you think it is. I didn't harm anyone in any way with what i said. So what the **** right do u guys have to call me a retard or a moron, which does harm me.

Well anyways I don't want to flame anymore. You guys are worthless pieces of shit that aren't even worth my time. Go ahead and rebutt, i'm done with this shit. I have better shit to do with my time.

[Undying]

And here I thought you didn't want to flame anymore... Look, I give you a most recent case - Naruto. Once the fillers started people began hating it, because the fillers were bad. So I suppose some people do "give a shit" if the Anime follows the Manga, eh? and besides, the sotry you liked so much was based purely on the Manga. Consider that.

[SmallKid57]

ur rite... its gonna be hard for bleach to get back on track...

[Shinji]

I just saw 68-69 and I'm REALLY scared now cuase I can't think of any way the anime could patch up the damage its done as far as returning to the manga (which is as hot, if not hotter, than the sun).
1. First off, Rukia is most definately NOT supposed to be there, I swear if she pulls out her Shikai this early, I'm gonna kill somebody (if you read the manga and saw what it does then you understand).
2. Renji should not be there either (especially not in hippy clothes), matter of fact Urahara does not officially accept Renji into his house, I don't think so anyways.
3. No one supposed to know about Ishida's power loss except Orihime.
4. An finally Ichigo is supposed to be struggling with his hollow although that might be reflected in his inability to use Bankai.
So all I'm saying is I'm deeply worried. The current filler arc about the Bound seems interesting though but who knows:rolleye09

I present to you the correct use of the spoiler tags
I don't think Rukia will use shikai yet, that would screw up too much of the story.

[Enkou Kitsune]

See, this is what I think:

1: The Manga is the original, and as such cannot be ignored. I see how the filler can cause manga fans to fret, but understand that those of us who have never read past the anime in the manga don't know the difference. I was completely unaware that the current arc was filler untill I read it here, and I had already seen the first three episodes.

2: Instead of perceiving the filler as a sad excuse for anime, why not see it for what it is supposed to be? A chance for Kubo to write more manga without the series catching up first. If we can put up with a few episodes of filler now, then we might get to see some even better things later, since he won't be as rushed in writing it.

I'm perfectly content to watch a few episodes of Mod Souls and so on. In fact, I'm actaully caught up in the storyline now...

Also, question: Aren't we supposed to use spoiler tags for the latest episode until the next one comes out? If so...then:
Any information regarding the Bound, the Mod Plushies, Rukia, and Bankai in the Real World are supposed to be in spoilers until 70 is released...

[Marke]

I think she will use her Shikai but it wont be shown to us,

or maybe she just owns her up with demon magic.

[A2k]

Marke; Use SPOILER TAGS.

Note this as the one and only warning.

Any more bullshit like on the previous page, and it's BanKai for the person(s) involved in the flaming. They will then have a week to reflect on their actions, and more importantly I will ensure they miss their Bleach download for that week. (You wont get it from here on time anyway)

[Marke]

i always download mine on MiniNova.

sorr about the "spoil?". ill go learn the 14 sentences needed to write spoilers :>

[A2k]

It wasn't in refference to your posts, you weren't flaming. Just the spoiler comment was directed at yourself.

14 lines...it's like a few words not even one line...o.O

[Z_Blitz]

Hmmm... Indeed the anime fillers are starting to go a bit off track but as Kitsune mentioned there means that more time will be given for Kubo to finish off the manga. You wouldn't want them to rush off the ending now. I've heard that several other animes have gone through similar circumstances but have ended up as a failure or pseudo failures because the author rushed it. So in fact it would be better for the anime to spoil a few things in the manga than making the whole series (both anime and manga) a flop.

I doubt that Rukia will pull her shikai. If she does then that'll spoil the element of surprise that was there when Ichigo first found out ^^.

[Kabane]

I believe they said that there is a year process before Aizen can start using the hougyoku. So this means that there is a "school year" before the manga can continue. I think that


1. Ichigo has a whole year to eventually be able to "re-learn" bankai as well as intregrate the learning of "bankai-getsuga tenshou." During hte process he then attains his fear of using his bankai to its fullest potential because of his hollow.

2. Im sure that Rukia and Renji wont be there for the whole year. So at the moment its fine for htem to be there. Assuming they [renji and rukia] leave for at least the summer they will still retain that "gasp, rukia and renji are in the real world" effect that the manga has portrayed. Not to mention it sitll gives ichigo that i miss rukia feeling that he loves.

anyways the only problem i do have is the Ishida part..there is no way to be able to recover from that.

[Shinji]

I think she will use her Shikai but it wont be shown to us,

or maybe she just owns her up with demon magic.
You're probably right, the logical thing is for her to use Demon magic
and not her shikai.

[Byakuya7]

I just saw 68-69 and I'm REALLY scared now cuase I can't think of any way the anime could patch up the damage its done as far as returning to the manga (which is as hot, if not hotter, than the sun).
1. First off, Rukia is most definately NOT supposed to be there, I swear if she pulls out her Shikai this early, I'm gonna kill somebody (if you read the manga and saw what it does then you understand).
2. Renji should not be there either (especially not in hippy clothes), matter of fact Urahara does not officially accept Renji into his house, I don't think so anyways.
3. No one supposed to know about Ishida's power loss except Orihime.
4. An finally Ichigo is supposed to be struggling with his hollow although that might be reflected in his inability to use Bankai.
So all I'm saying is I'm deeply worried. The current filler arc about the Bound seems interesting though but who knows:rolleye09

I present to you the correct use of the spoiler tags
What are you talking about, the damage that the filler has done can all be fixed, and I'll show you how.

1. Rukia coming back is definently a surprise that I wasnt expecting, but then again how much damage will that really do? We've already seen in the latest episode that Rukia doesnt use her "ability" to defeat the fire demon. The order of events doesnt really matter as well, because all that did in the manga was provide us with a huge surprise when the gang showed up. Now they will most likely embed that into the story having Hitsugaya and Matsumoto and the rest of the gang show up at the school, when the current manga arc is animated. However, they will need to tweek one part of a manga chapter in which they show everyones surprise at Kon being a talking stuffed animal, because that wouldnt make much sense since Renji and Rukia already know that. Im guessing that Hitsugaya, Matsumoto, Ikkaku, and that one fruity guy (forget his name) will not be shocked at the notion of a mod soul inside of a stuffed animal and all will go well when it comes to that. Rukia will not pull out her Shi Kai for the same reason that Ichigo is not pulling out his Ban Kai. It could greatly affect the story, and giving Ichigo a goal to work towards only helps thread the filler into the main story.


2. Yes I know Renji shouldnt be there, but there isnt that much of a difference. The only things that will be tweeked is Renji traveling to Uraharas to ask him a question like he did in the manga. I imagine that all the pre arrancar fighting will be cleaned up and go right back on track with them fighting Grimmjow and the gang. Only a few episodes need to be cleaned up in order for them to introduce the new villians. Urahara doesnt accept renji into his house in the manga but I'm sure they will find someway around that aspect and have Renji thank Urahara for letting him stay, but believes that it would be better if he found his own place.


3. This is debatable because Ichigo may know that Ishida lost his powers. If he doesnt know and the manga rolls around then all can be rearranged so that it makes it seem like Ichigo already knew that Ishida had lost his powers.


4. Yes Ichigos inability to use ban kai is a plus, because it gives him time to train up for the upcoming villians, and also gives him a chance to internally struggle with his hollow, and when the time comes around for him to ask the Vaizards for help, it would only add to the drama because you'll get to see how desperately Ichigo needs their help to surpress his hollow.

[Raijukan]

I see what your saying, besides I still have faith in Bleach. It has probably consumed more of life than any other anime. On a side note, I think it would be sorta cool if they brought Byakuya to the human world. He's my favorite Captain:doindadom

[Undying]

Byakuya is far too great for any fillers, you don't see him at all there (even at the captains meeting). The only reason I dislike the fillers is that I consider the Manga storyline to be better. Other than that, only the poor drawing was bad.

[Boko]

Omg lets al pray that Bleach wont have a filler like narutos :P

[chakra25]

^^^ With minor spoilers, it's way better than Naruto's fillers. Even the villians are way better than the crappy Mizuki and Raiga in Naruto filler. Naruto started well and few fillers were good. But alot of it became repetitive. That's why I'm glad to have some minor manga spoiled in the filler than random hollow slayings.

[thematrix]

I don't get where you guys make an issue with Renji and Rukia being there. Yes, in the manga Ichi didn't see them for quite some time and yes, Rukia shouldn't use her Shikai yet, but:

1: The timespan between Aizen disapearing and the events that unfold afterward in the Manga is about a year. This is again confirmed in the Anime.
2: If the filler episodes deal with say 2 to 3 months right after Aizen going poof, Ichigo can still have "not seen" Rukia and Renji for 9 months.
3: Rukia hasn't used her Shikai in the Anime and I don't think she will. Her Kidou skills are more usefull fighting the Vampires.

Also, Ichigo's inability to use his Bankai is ideal to give a climax event to the filler arch. Now he'll probably fight the Bound with his limited abilities untill the grand finale where he will finaly regain the same level as he was in Soul Society and whoop the bounds ass.

Then for the beginning of the Manga arch starting again, his problems with using his Bankai will be able to be revealed.

Don't go *****ing about things that haven't happend and that aren't wrong yet. You don't know what direction they are taking and I doubt they'll screw it up. Bleach is an anime/manga like there haven't been in a long time. They won't screw this up.

[Undying]

I don't get where you guys make an issue with Renji and Rukia being there. Yes, in the manga Ichi didn't see them for quite some time and yes, Rukia shouldn't use her Shikai yet, but:

1: The timespan between Aizen disapearing and the events that unfold afterward in the Manga is about a year. This is again confirmed in the Anime.
Actually, the term starts right after ichigo and co return from Soul-Scoiety. the events happen shortly afterwards. A year? Where? Why?
2: If the filler episodes deal with say 2 to 3 months right after Aizen going poof, Ichigo can still have "not seen" Rukia and Renji for 9 months.
What are you trying to say here? No comprendo.
3: Rukia hasn't used her Shikai in the Anime and I don't think she will. Her Kidou skills are more usefull fighting the Vampires.
Agreed.

Also, Ichigo's inability to use his Bankai is ideal to give a climax event to the filler arch. Now he'll probably fight the Bound with his limited abilities untill the grand finale where he will finaly regain the same level as he was in Soul Society and whoop the bounds ass.
Actually I think it is due to the side effets of his Bankai.
Then for the beginning of the Manga arch starting again, his problems with using his Bankai will be able to be revealed.

Don't go *****ing about things that haven't happend and that aren't wrong yet. You don't know what direction they are taking and I doubt they'll screw it up. Bleach is an anime/manga like there haven't been in a long time. They won't screw this up.
We don't know whether they'll screw this up or no. I personally am afraid that they will.

[Endless Black]

This is a very angry thread at points lol

Fillers are bound to happen... if Bleach kept going so long as they had Manga's they would eventually fall into a naruto situation where they literally caught up to where the manga is and had no where to go.

I figure they are just buying time to let the manga gain some ground on them so they can proceed without have to do like 35+ filler episodes ( I think thats what naruto is on now.. correct me if its more ).

Granted if they mess up some small details like certain introductions for some characters those that are dedicated fans of the comics it could be a bit concerning. But hey its artistic license... they have provided us with a half descent story arc to tide us over and when they choose to go back I am sure they will try and find as smooth a way to transition back as they can though I don't expect it to be perfect.

And if all else fails we can gather an angry mob and burn their studio down =)

[Undying]

We will, eventually. Anyway, I kinda like the current filler arc. The 27 Naruto fillers gave me the creeps. THEY ARE BAD! The Bleach ones are nice, they just give seperate intro's to the Soul-Society guys.

[Hotaru]

Now now, PLEASE DO NOT BE SO FCUKING CHILDISH!!! GET THE FCUK OVER IT!!! We are here to discuss peacefully... So if you think so otherwise, please take it outside, hooligans

[Undying]

Huh? Who are you shouting at?

[Hotaru]

It was earlier in the thread where ppl have been bloody childish... Its all over now tho...!!!... Thnx for your concern... PS.. AM a SDK fan too... Hence Hotaru... My Zampakutou is Hotaru-related,.. Doing onw of Akira now...

[Undying]

I noticed it... You are Mr. narrow eyes fire wielder's dedicated fan... Akira is kewl too...

[Hotaru]

Yep!!! You spotted it!!! I don't like Benitora or Kyo tho... But I never like main chracters in Anime... Yukimura is awesome... He is a little similar to Ichimaru, don't you think???

[MazdaRxEight]

Well, the fillers arnt exactly bad, as long as it has that touch of humor to it. =D

[Undying]

Yep!!! You spotted it!!! I don't like Benitora or Kyo tho... But I never like main chracters in Anime... Yukimura is awesome... He is a little similar to Ichimaru, don't you think???
Well... my favorite characters... not specific order:
Kyo, Kyoushiro, Hotarou, Akira, Yukimura (yes, he is kinda like Gin), the former Aka no Ou, Jullian, and the guy with the bandage over his eyes (forgot his name, one of the 4 elders).

[Hotaru]

Well... my favorite characters... not specific order:
Kyo, Kyoushiro, Hotarou, Akira, Yukimura (yes, he is kinda like Gin), the former Aka no Ou, Jullian, and the guy with the bandage over his eyes (forgot his name, one of the 4 elders).
The guy with the bandage over his eye is Yu-un... Call Yun-yun by Hotaru... Anyway, its clear that you are reading the manga not the anime. I am not up to date, so can you please tell me where to read them on the internet!!!

[Undying]

Actually I'm not so up to date myself... ^^. I read the Manga up to chapter 74, by Genesis, from www.stoptazmo.com and I found a link to chapters 180-290 somewhere in the forums, though I was unable to locate it afterwards. And thanks for reminding me of Yun-yun... how could have I forgotten his name...

[Hotaru]

Thanks for pointing me out!!! I hate all the other three elders...(Fubuki, Higishi and Toukito, the spelling might be wrong as am reading it in another language)...

[Undying]

Hey, probs. And yeah, Fubuki is an ass, Hishigi has an eye problem (you know what I) and Tokito... I hate him.

[K.Ogawa]

ah yeah, tokita. hate him too...

as for the fillers? I think an anime as long as this one, it's bound to happen. yeah, it's annoying at times, but if it can somehow tie into the whole thing, i'm not complaining. as someone said before, it's better than nothing.

i do agree however that an anime is tied and owes its respects to the manga (though I am not a full otaku to read manga, nor do i have time for it, haha) but i'll have to go with the majority here. i guess none of us has the right to say whos a "true fan" or not... i mean, is it really that worth getting mad over?... heh... but everyone has an opinion. don't be flamin each other now kids

[Undying]

Mr. "I'm more mature than you". huh? :D whatever... I think that if Bleach would have taken on a break (like Tsubasa Chronicles) it would have been better... though not as long, just a couple of months... but, having something to watch is better than nothing, I guess... so go on, Bleach!

[Hotaru]

Yep... Currently it is the only Anime I can get my hand on.. Plus, Naruto is just not as interesting anymore...

[RukiaYuza]

Hello! :)
I am still new to Bleach and I do not know as much about the manga as I should but I don't think that the filler story line will hurt the rest of the story too much. How many episodes are there in the filler episodes? Where did they begin and where do they end?

[Hotaru]

I think it is meant to be 13 complete episodes, if not longer... This is due to the lisence on the Ending song, which last for 13 episodes... I think... I read it from other randon thread I can't remember...

[Karma]

Well as much as this new Bound-thing seems to suck, fillers are necessary obviously, so as to not catch up to the manga.

Also, people who disrespect the manga are really dumb because the creator of Bleach himself is in charge of that, not the anime. The creators of the anime is simply putting it to motion so to speak :P.

Hehe personally I think we should pray that the filler wont start piling up though, and become Naruto.. Naruto has been one long filler-hell for the past months now :P.

[sto67]

personally i would rather bleach go on a break like samurai champloo did. these fillers seem to waste more and more of my disk space every week lol.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

How many filler episodes have we had so far? I stopped watching them after the 3rd episode of that crap. If the 13 episode liscence is true, then how many should be left? I need to know!

[Undying]

Well, they started on episode 63, so 7 episodes so far... (double epi counts as two), and 6 more to go, if it is only 13 fillers.

[Kabane]

i doubt it, time is moving too slowly. If it is a year or so they say, then there could possibly be a whole other season, though i havent been watching the fillers lately...even still, how dreadful.