Suggestions, Recommendations On Gotei 13 Project

[Chrome]

much more vBux!!!!!!!

[Sandal Hat]

Keep em' comin yo.

[db]

Sandal didnt even participate in the picture thread :<

[KeitaroAZN™]

I think stealing a member would be kind of strange...I dont think it would work out for the person being stolen. maybe

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

i dont think it wont, coz everyone wont be happy, and if the kidnapped division member doesnt like the new division, its no use kidnapping...doubt it will work

[Insight]

this is merely a suggestion for possible prizes.
if a a Gotei division won then perhaps instead of bieng able to see inside another division they could be allowed to post if they wanted in either the arrancar or vaizard threads, and vise versa if the arrancar or vaizard won.
this would effectively be like an invasion of one of the other groups in reflection of the manga story.
don't know how this would work in practice if anyone has suggestions or just thinks it's stupid as it may result in spamming if it dosn't work your welcome voice them.
now in the right place what do you all think

[♥ Tess]

i believe the kidnapping thing was a joke :p

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2 more:
- adding *mystery* or misc. prizes which are decided with the dice-mod
- temporarily change a Staff member's avie, sig & usertitle to whatever the winner desires


...that's all for now >.>

[Rabid_Wolverine]

I good prize would be DB's credit card number. Or something involving money.

[Rihaku]

i believe the kidnapping thing was a joke

Er...you don't know me very well, do you?

Obviously kidnapping wouldn't be against your will.

Hm, maybe you could make people switch divisions (either from your own or others) for tactical reasons. Like, if you're 6th Division and know that 5th Division is being kept afloat by one member, switch that guy to 12th Division for the next contest - you can't switch them to your own division, though.

[♥ Tess]

hmm... we already have the Division Member Swap (http://forums.bleachportal.net/showthread.php?t=27940) thing still going on so i'm not sure.

still, I don't think there should be a prize that can interfere with another division's chances of winning the next Contest.

[Evanesque]

Banning any one the winner hates for a day...or maybe more!

>=)

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

I good prize would be DB's credit card number. Or something involving money.

hahaa... good one!! :redbiggri

mmm... dont 4get to get DB's bank account number and ATM card...

[Kalashnikov]

i think the html usertitle was an awesome idea =P

[Sandal Hat]

DB has no money

[Evanesque]

Um, poor DB?

Don't tell me this tax thingy was introduced to suck money out of us and give it to DB XD

Another prize idea: More rep points and power!!!

[SHiKaMaRi]

You're crazy over rep. -.- (Or maybe it was just that single or two minute.) Meh... It's quite a good idea though >.>

[Hunni3]

how about 1000000000000000000000 vbux points to use in 5 minutes =)

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

Lmao, adminship =D

[silverwolf801]

how about money, fame the cb cherlye thelindra Elocin. you know where this is heading.

[Neku]

How about £1,000(2000 dollars)-£1,000,000 (2,000,000 dollars roughly) to me via dice which the division who wins rolls and depending on the outcome i get more money! sounds great doesnt it? :>

On a serious note html userbars for every member of the div would be a cool idea! orrr we could always go with all the div members become admins for a week :p

[silverwolf801]

o yea that is a good idea a week of admin status for the div omg. I could finally get recognized

[Evanesque]

And they say my rep whoring is obsessive :rolleye09

[Cheryl]

how about money, fame the cb cherlye thelindra Elocin. you know where this is heading.

*ears perk*

I heard my name. :rolleye09

I like the idea of adminship for a week! It'd be really cool. ^-^

[rOyKiA]

Yup..Admin-like powers for the team who won. :)

[Edit] Removal ofown tax or increasing of everyone else's tax is kinda good or....

The winning team can purchase anything for free.

[Tanya]

One division = all admins will create chaos IMO, lol.

[Neku]

Lol itd be uber fun tho, yo. ;D

[Evanesque]

Nope it'll definitely be chaos to have those winning monkeys play around with the forum stuff

>_>

[Ai]

Adminship won't be issued as a prize...

Otherwise i could see choas in the distance

[Rihaku]

I still liked the kidnapping members idea -_-

[Evanesque]

I like that idea too..

If the kidnapping thing ish approved, i'm definitely kidnapping Semp..:redbiggri

[Rorschach]

I like that idea too..
If the kidnapping thing ish approved, i'm definitely kidnapping Semp..:redbiggri
Oh the joy :rolleye09

[silverwolf801]

wait so we can kidnap anyone. hahahahhahaaa I will take thelindra from undying. I will finally winnnn

[Evanesque]

Ooh, ooh! Kidnap me!! *raises hand* XD

I can't think of any prizes at the moment. Maybe fame and glory with tons of points and rep!! XD

[Kuro-Chan]

i'll kidnap you..!xD...
points is definitely a good way to give as a prize.
special tags could be gifted as well...(:

[Rihaku]

Maybe the winning division and last could have a boost in bank interest (say, double it?) for the duration they're #1? That way it balances out the 10% deduction if they get owned by another div for first place. Also, the last division would be in a better position to catch up.

[Ichigo1543]

Maybe the winning team could get a set of avitars for a permanant prize:angry:

[Chrome]

how about only the division captains can only pick the members they want to kinap?

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

yea, good idea...

and no kidnapping other DC/VC

(then again, i love my div members, so if they get stolen i feel sad....)

@ichigo1543: no, we aready got nice 150 x 150 avvys and we can change them anytime we like, so no need for a new avvy...

[Cheryl]

Kidnapping DC's and VC's should be fun though. :whatevah:

[SHiKaMaRi]

*Imagines iladys or Planes being taken away*

No, cherlye. The div will be chaos without those two. XD

[Cheryl]

*laughs*

I can picture my div without me and Stony already...

[Evanesque]

@shikky: I think our DC...esp VC will create more chaos in the other divs they get kidnap into...XD

I can guarantee that Planesy will drive them insane!

[♥ Tess]

hmm...

Winners should have a unique Usergroup title for a day or 2 to show they won the last contest.
(like it being BOLD, or a small image next to it /i.e: trophy)


Prize Suggestion:
...umm

Probably their own custom emoticon :p

i.e:
:3rd: = http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/skmt-giffies/Bleach/Ichimaru1.gif

*the emoticons/smileys doesn't have to be bleach related*

[sorrowsjoie]

hmm...

Winners should have a unique Usergroup title for a day or 2 to show they won the last contest.
(like it being BOLD, or a small image next to it /i.e: trophy)


Prize Suggestion:
...umm

Probably their own custom emoticon :p

i.e:
:3rd: = http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/skmt-giffies/Bleach/Ichimaru1.gif

*the emoticons/smileys doesn't have to be bleach related*


thats a brilliant idea. i agree with that. but i think it will better if the emoticons/smileys are bleach related

[Yamamoto]

I like the custom emoticons one :)

How about animated custom titles? Like sort of those Vegas streetsigns (they could flash or be one of those long screens that travel from one side to the other)

[Icestorm]

Well I had an idea just then.. why not in the bleach project part we create a section that allows all the people from the Gotei 13, Espada's and Vaizards to talk crap to eachother .. have little wars like the one between Vaizards and espada's and generally boast about how they will win the next competions and stuff. Or is it too close to the contest section?

Opinions?

[Ai]

Well I had an idea just then.. why not in the bleach project part we create a section that allows all the people from the Gotei 13, Espada's and Vaizards to talk crap to eachother .. have little wars like the one between Vaizards and espada's and generally boast about how they will win the next competions and stuff. Or is it too close to the contest section?
Opinions?

My humble opinion..

Theres a section for it already for the divs in the div cafe (http://forums.bleachportal.net/forumdisplay.php?f=73), They can have wars like the espada and the vaizard have any time they want.

The espadas and the vaizards talk crap to the divs anyway around the place and in the contest threads and results threads..:(

[Icestorm]

Hmm well I just think that people would take more interest if there was a section set aside for inter-div/espada/vaizard stuff... Division cafe seems more for the Gotei than the vaizards or espada's. The name implies as much too.

[KeitaroAZN™]

Well, are the espada and vaizards allowed in the Div Cafe?

[db]

I dont think so and I'm quite lazy to check :P

[Decado]

No we can't post. We can view everything tho :p

@Ice: interesting.. tho it may spark flaming >.>'

[Icestorm]

pfft.. nah.. maybe a friendly section and a not-so-friendly section rofl.

[yahhzoo]

I like the idea Ice. That would be a awesome section.

[Toasty]

Just a suggestion (and I tried to skim through 33 pages of posts and didn't see it on first glance... so hope it's not a repeat).

But it would be awesome if there was a section in the Academy where Division members could go and talk to academy students (answer questions and converse and stuff) to help the students get to know us all a little better.

I noticed in another thread it was suggested that students talk to each Division in the Lounge or Randomness, but wouldn't it be nice to have a place for that?

That would also increase the chances of a Graduate getting a Division because each Division would have had a chance to see and converse with all the students prior to application.

[Artemis]

I agree with Toasty...

But, I also gotta note that the Shinigami Staff are (I think all) ex-Gotei 13 members. So they can pretty much answer everything and everyone.

But, like Cooked Bread (I've decided to name Toasty that) said it would help the new students to emerge themselves with the main group.

I would love to talk to the new students, I reckon it's fun to answer their questions and just to talk to them XD.

[Yamamoto]

I third Toasty's idea..

it helps rid of the instant noobiness graduates get when they get accepted..

*remembers mine*

:)

[Artemis]

Just wanted to ask you guys...

Do you think the interaction should just be open. I mean like they just put up a question and whoever is passing by just talk/answers.

Or should it be like random people can enter and interact with the students, but there's a 'core' group. Then again, that's kinda like the Shinigami Staff...

[KeitaroAZN™]

I noticed the Byakuya FC has the same color as the 11th...you think we could change the color for our division. I sent a message to like two members that weren't in the div, welcoming them to the 11th lol

[doobiesnacks]

I noticed the Byakuya FC has the same color as the 11th...you think we could change the color for our division. I sent a message to like two members that weren't in the div, welcoming them to the 11th lol
If you are going to change a color then change the FC one as it came at a later time..

[Toasty]

Just wanted to ask you guys...

Do you think the interaction should just be open. I mean like they just put up a question and whoever is passing by just talk/answers.

Or should it be like random people can enter and interact with the students, but there's a 'core' group. Then again, that's kinda like the Shinigami Staff...

I meant that all the Division members could enter as well as the Shinigami Students (and Graduates I suppose...). Kinda like a special place for us all to talk.

They can pose questions to people individually, whole Divisions, or the whole Gotei 13.

[KeitaroAZN™]

Like a FAQ thread for students right? That would seem like a good idea. Maybe let them into the Division cafe?

[Anarchy]

I have an idea and we might even have this already but here it goes.

What about we have some kind area for the captains and vice-captains to go without intrusion from anyone else to see how the other captains run things, to try to make all the divisions better and more alike each other in the Gotei.

[Ai]

There is a place, Its called the captains corner..

[Anarchy]

oh see oh well I tried to contribute I'll be back with another idea (oh and sorry for spamming just now XD)

[Ai]

oh see oh well I tried to contribute I'll be back with another idea (oh and sorry for spamming just now XD)

No problems, I'll look into the usergroups and ensure all current capts and vc's can get into it mkay.

[Anarchy]

hey Ai have we tried a shoutbox before cuz if not that would be cool and to keep it unspammy only those with say 1000-2000 posts can use it. I'm sure with that many posts under your belt you're responsible enough not to spam it up. Although since you're in a division I'd hope you could control your spam.

[Ai]

Go ask someone else, They might get around to it if they can see past the load of ..stuff..In front of them.

[Anarchy]

who would I ask, Db or another admin (is there another I mean the only one I here about is Db)?

[Prince Noctis]

there's Sandal Hat too lol

and Unholy

[Anarchy]

I thought there was well then I'm going to go converse with Unholy about the matter

[Ai]

Or you could check the suggestion thread on the main faq section where the idea has already been asked and denied before.

Search feature ftw...your initiative ftl.

[Anarchy]

well I thought for here it would be different... JUST here...damn I'm not very good and coming up with suggestions for a already "broken in" forum...

[Ai]

Depends on what the suggestion is...I read them whenever they're posted here..If I know they havn't been thought up before and they're sensible then I contirubte a sensible post.

However if they have been thought up before I give a few lines saying basically its been thought before the answer then was no good try try again etc etc etc..You know..Don't let it get you down.

[♥ Tess]

Make the Seireitei section "Private/Hidden"
(Meaning for Gotei-13 members only)

A closed environment where division members can freely interact with eachother without being watched by Guests, Random Members, Vaizards, Espadas & such. This is in hope to encourage activity, strengthen unity & increase productivity within the Gotei-Div's. An area where ideas can be exchanged between seated, non-seated, captains & vice captains

Though each squad participates separately in BP Contests, they are still part of one group... the Gotei


Note: The Team Cafe can still be used to publicly interact with the all Teams, Classes, C46, Teachers, whatever...


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2nd suggestion: -v

Bleach Project HQ
(...or whatever clever name you can think of :P )

This will be the center (or front desk) of the entire Bleach Project and every group involved

It will Feature: BP News & Updates
Memberlists & Requirements
BP FAQS
Recruitment Threads
Division descriptions or highlights (submitted by DC/VC's)
Contest Stats
C46 information (members, purpose & such)
...and more
An organized area where any member can dig info about the BP project & all the divisions.

Academy students can use this section to research any division their interested in. They can also have small Q&A session with seated members of that specific division. (optional to divisions willing to participate). Overall this will help them get an idea of each division instead of playing roulette when it comes time to choose

Division members can use it to keep up to date on whats new, gather information themselves or answer some of the Q&A's of students

Currently the Seireitei section is being used for some of these things, i would suggest we change that.

Further details on how this will work can be explain if your interested...


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3rd: -v

Divisional Ladder / Tournament Area
( what happened??? )

I remember the hype surrounding this announcement. In the end the C46 were too lazy to put it in action. I would suggest you guys delay the next contest your deviously planning & take time to organize it. (OR drop the idea, call it a failure & delete the section :3 )

it's already been half a year -.-

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alright, that's my 2 cents.
A bit rough but all in hope to improve the current state of things.
Apologize if some parts are unclear =/

[Ai]

Make the Seireitei section "Private"
(Meaning for Gotei-13 members only)

A closed environment where division members can freely interact with eachother without being watched by Guests, Random Members, Vaizards, Espadas & such. This is in hope to encourage activity, strengthen unity & increase productivity within the Gotei-Div's. An area where ideas can be exchanged between seated, non-seated, captains & vice captains

Though each squad participates separately in BP Contests, they are still part of one group... the Gotei


Note: The Team Cafe can still be used to publicly interact with the all Teams, Classes, C46, Teachers, whatever...


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2nd suggestion: -v

Bleach Project HQ
(...or whatever clever name you can think of :P )

This will be the center (or front desk) of the entire Bleach Project and every group involved

It will Feature: BP News & Updates
Memberlists & Requirements
BP FAQS
Recruitment Threads
Division descriptions or highlights (submitted by DC/VC's)
Contest Stats
C46 information (members, purpose & such)
...and more
An organized area where any member can dig info about the BP project & all the divisions.

Academy students can use this section to research any division their interested in. They can also have small Q&A session with seated members of that specific division. (optional to divisions willing to participate). Overall this will help them get an idea of each division instead of playing roulette when it comes time to choose

Division members can use it to keep up to date on whats new, gather information themselves or answer some of the Q&A's of students

Currently the Seireitei section is being used for some of these things, i would suggest we change that.

Further details on how this will work can be explain if your interested...

Suggestions one and two I've already brought up and it was changed to how it currently looks although it was still not the way which I explained.

The way it should be layed out to stay consistant with the anime bleach is.

Bleach Project
- Soul Society <- All those info threads located in here
- Academy
--Academy Staff Room
--Academy Students area
--Academy Graduates area
- (Hidden) Court Of Pure Souls <- Division subforums located within here
--(Hidden) C46
- (Hidden) Vaizapade
- (Hidden) Quincy
- (Hidden) Div Cafe <- Open to posting by divs/Vaizapade/quincy
- Contests Area etc etc.

However as I said i've tryed to get it switched properly before and it still hasn't been done..But your explanation just re-enforces the idea..Thankz for the suggestion.

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3rd: -v

Divisional Ladder / Tournament Area
( what happened??? )

I remember the hype surrounding this announcement. In the end the C46 were too lazy to put it in action. I would suggest you guys delay the next contest your deviously planning & take time to organize it. (OR drop the idea, call it a failure & delete the section :3 )

it's already been half a year -.-

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I was trying to get it to work except it was
1st. not enough effective communication within C46 to get the points working enough to keep it updated.
and
2nd. Was stopped by db to be reinstated by himself at a latter date..But as you said..it's been half a year..maybe this'll get it going again..it's relatively simple to do...it just requires communication within C46 as to the results of contests to ensure placings are updated and points are allocated etc.



alright, that's my 2 cents.
A bit rough but all in hope to improve the current state of things.
Apologize if some parts are unclear =/

Why apologise for something which you only hope to improve things with...You've done well you've provided the ground work for which it can be resolved..all that has to happen is for an admin to take note of it and actually act on it instead of letting it lie for another few months.

[Wren]

Division 0?

[Ai]

Now thats a bloody good Suggestion Wren, Add rep.

[Kabane]

lol Admin Lounge is named "Division Zero" i doubt we'll be integrating it into the gotei system., I could be wrong though.

[Nicole]

Well, considering that alot of us are already in a Division or in VEQ. (Aren't all the staff in a Gotei group already?) I don't see the point in integrating it into the project.

[Princess Gheyfu]

Well, considering that alot of us are already in a Division or in VEQ. (Aren't all the staff in a Gotei group already?) I don't see the point in integrating it into the project.

Also, the "zero division" is supposed to be elite, and according to the manga, it has almost no contact with the rest of the SS, so it wouldn't make much sense to intergrate them anyways.

[Wren]

Could be for members former captains/vcs leaders that wish to move up help the c46 with contests and general stuff like that

Or could just be a mod/supermod/admin div.

[Blue]

Start the contests again, imo. Without contests the Gotei has nothing to do.

[zen]

sorry to sorta piggyback, but yea the contest are what made it fun, too most members. And I know that you worked hard on the gotei week and all, but I'm just anxious, maybe some advertisement or a little sneak peek or some teaser contest. Too keep members interested and willing too wait.

[db]

We are discussing plans and stuffs.

We have like 2 contests in queue already but there are things that need fixing before we will start contests again

[Princess Gheyfu]

We are discussing plans and stuffs.

We have like 2 contests in queue already but there are things that need fixing before we will start contests again

Will the contests begin after the division reviews that Sar is making? Or are you referring to other things that need fixing?

[Cassie]

Will the contests begin after the division reviews that Sar is making? Or are you referring to other things that need fixing?

We're going after the whole system. It's been running on fumes, we're trying to fully refuel and give it 4 fresh tires. The divisions w/o any problems will probably be bored for a while, but the divisions with problems have a lotta fun in store for them... hopefully :P

[Kenken]

Fun... I wonder what kind of fun.

And yeah, Division 0 should be the staff members (Admins, Smods and Mods.)

[Z_Blitz]

Like the name implies, Central 46 would like to know what rewards/items in the shop that divisions/teams would be interested in after winning a contest. Some general "no" are as follows:

- Join the donator usergroup when you're not one yourself.
- Extend donator privileges to your division if you're a donator yourself.

This thread will be open for discussion so that members could discuss with Central 46 the feasibility of their suggestions are, based on what it is we're capable of doing :).

[Miyagi Rikku]

http://forums.bleachportal.net/showthread.php?t=54112

Can this suggestion be carried out?

All credits to shin. :3

[Z_Blitz]

Avatar limit bypass is a definite prize on our new list of prizes, so no worries there :).

[Decado]

This first two points may be really obvious, and I'm sure the C46 probably already thought of it, (but I wouldn't know) so if that's the case then disregard what I say and I apologise for spouting such obvious things, but my last suggestions are something new ... I believe. :)


1) Accumulation of winnings
If we're going to have any system of "points" I think it would be better for the "prizes" to be available after a certain amount of points.

This will increase incentive to compete in future contests. =)

For example:

avatar bypass for each individual will be ... 1000 points. *random number*

Depending on the contest, the winning prize can range from any amount of "points."

In this example make the winning prize as 2500 points. Second with 1250 and third with 750.

The divs will then have to accumulate their points to get the prizes instead of winning the prize (in this case the avatar bypass) straight away. Since this win only gives them 2500 points, only two people in the div can get the bypass at that point in time, and this will give them incentive to continue winning contests in future


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2) Top teams, and improving lower teams
Also these points can denote a division's position on the ladder as usual. So if spent, then their position also falls

At the end of a period (say, 3 months) the top division gets some sort of accolade.

For example.. a thread which has "Top Divisions for this Quarter" like a Hall of Fame - and the div would get bonus points and such.

The lowest div can also be in that Hall of fame as lowest team. This will give them motivation to get out of that rut.. and perhaps that will allow us to see WHY they are the lowest team.

ie - check if their members are active, designate newer better members to join them, get rid of inactive ones, have a member change over from another div for a Quarter


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3) Purchasing / auctioning members for a "Quarter"
The last suggestion can also be thought of as a quarterly thing, that is, things like "Quarterly events"

example:


The points a div has allows them to "bid" for a particular member they wish to "buy" for their div for a Quarter.

Like an auction

The points paid to that member will half go to their team and half to the member. The team that "bought" them will keep them for a Quarter and if their position goes lower or doesn't change, they get all their points back.

Of course this is all just off the top of my head and I can see limitations already so yeh, may need some more work. But otherwise it seems quite firm.
ie, Captains cannot be bought, etc

The bidding will of course have rules to make it fair, but that's only if this idea remotely appeals to anyone.. then it can be worked on.


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4) Exiling certain members from future contests

Also, thought of paying to keep someone OUT of the next contest. This can work against captains too. This could be a certain number of points too. And can only apply to one member, not a whole div or multiple members.

ie - say the price to do this was 2200 points.

So for example, say the 2nd division come second in a contest to the Espada. They decide that the Espada's are annoyingly successful and take a wild guess as to who their main contributor is.

They pay 2200 points to exile Prof from Espada's next contest. The C46 would ensure that Prof therefore doesn't partake in Espada's next contest, and the Espada's must complete the contest without him.

Of course, a player, once exiled, cannot be exiled again for that Quarter, or the following quarter.

[Z_Blitz]

First and second came as a given more or less, but are highly appreciated as a means of supporting what we had in mind.

I love the third and fourth idea, and personally don't think it's all that hard to implement. I'll wait and see what the others have to say about this, but I personally am definitely for it :).

[Ai]

1900 ergh...

http://forums.bleachportal.net/showpost.php?p=2606572&postcount=34

Will edit as more come to mind.

[Cassie]

@Decado:

3. Only works if you guys agree to move and work for the division that bought you.
4. This can work for a whole division to keep them out of ladder for a particular contest, but it's not possible to keep a specific member out of a contest nor is it fair to do so.

@Ai: Divisions as a whole has access to points, not individual members.

[Decado]

@Decado:

3. Only works if you guys agree to move and work for the division that bought you.
What do you mean "you guys?" Do you mean the VEQ, or every division member as a whole?

And of course. What division member wouldn't help the division they were bought into? It's only an online forum.

The main aim is for everyone to enjoy the Gotei Project. Divisions mean little except the people you know there. You didn't join the group because of their "ideals" or world views or anything else, merely to enjoy. :)

If they're so bent out of shape about their original div being left without their help, then I already covered that with: "half the payment points go to their div, and half to the member. If the div that bought them don't progress, the div's points are returned". The potential loss is covered.

And as I said, it's just setting the foundation for the idea atm.

4. This can work for a whole division to keep them out of ladder for a particular contest
I think this is far more unfair, which is why I said only one member, not multiple or an entire team :)

but it's not possible to keep a specific member out of a contest
You can always go the extremes and remove their Group Membership rights from their division for the duration of the contest, if there's not enough trust that the person will stay out of the contest.

nor is it fair to do so.
Removing one member is more fair than removing the entire team. And the divisions won't know who the main contributers are, unless of course boasting takes place after contests, which is why their payment could be for naught, since the person may not even be able to help in that contest, or they may not have even helped in the previous one. Therefore, the person may have not even been part of the contest, so "fairness" doesn't even come into play if they weren't going to participate anyway

But hey, if the div get their shot right, I think the benefits outweigh the loss. It's a version of gambling. Good fun :)


Btw, were these two criticisms from just you or the entire C46? (just so I know what all of C46 make of this idea, since Blitz liked it but you don't seem to) :)

[Cassie]

I only speak for myself.

I say it's unfair not to the division, but to the member being blocked. I just feel really weird about it.

A lot of people are only motivated to do work for his/her division because his/her friends are there. If he was bought into another division, there's a very high possibility that he won't do anything. I'd do anything to get people to participate and have fun, it's very counter-productive if they're not having fun.

Basically, I don't like singling out individual members. I take the stance that if you wanna play, then play fair and bring it.

BTW, they're not criticisms, just my view.

[Decado]

I say it's unfair not to the division, but to the member being blocked. I just feel really weird about it.
I don't see what's really weird about it. People lose.. people win. In this case, the other div would have paid for this to occur. And there are contests that not everyone can do. The member may get lucky and be exhiled from a contest they couldn't have contributed to anyway.

It's just supposed to be about allowing other divisions to have a fighting chance, and presenting options that will allow them to utilise methods to fight their way to the top.

But I don't want to over sell it or anything XD

I'll let you guys discuss it in C46 as you wish :)

A lot of people are only motivated to do work for his/her division because his/her friends are there. If he was bought into another division, there's a very high possibility that he won't do anything. I'd do anything to get people to participate and have fun, it's very counter-productive if they're not having fun.
That's true. I was also going to note in my suggestion:

" Those who do not wish to be auctioned can record their names into a list (in the Auctioning thread, as to who cannot be hired). "

Once their names are registered, they can't be bought :)

Think of it in terms of sports. People are bought and sold, but in this case, they will always return to their division after some time. I think people may find this fun, having access to different divisions and helping out other members.

They'll also get to know other members and expand their knowledge of CB's members as a whole, and this I thought, was the main aim of the Gotei Project :3

BTW, they're not criticisms, just my view.
k. Btw. Happy 20th Bday :P

[Cassie]

We asked some people about a few things, and the general consensus was that they're not too interested in the competition. To drag down another division for the sake of a fighting chance only works when you're putting in maximum effort, and are falling just a bit short. Most of the time it's just a lack of motivation from people.

It's not a big deal tho, it can easily be implemented and doesn't have much of a negative effect. Same goes with the other suggestion.

Btw. Happy 20th Bday :P

Thanks :P

[Manchester Black]

Not sure if this is so much a "contest" prize as it is just a prize. Whichever division (or V,E,Q) is at the top of the overall ladder, gets a tag for it's members to put under their user name that states their division is in first (don't know what the tag would say). I know there's the little trophy option, but I figure people would want something the makes a little larger of a statement.

Just popped into my head so I figured it can't hurt to throw it out there.

[Kenta]

Who's to say the member that got taken out won't secretly collaborate with his old team, and there's certainly no incentive to help the team that takes him, especially if it's a rival.

[Kray]

I remember a while back when the 8th(?) division got to invade whoevers divisional/veq lounge and basically post as if they were members there.

Maybe this could be an option again?

Just a suggestion.
If it was stated already, I apologize.
Cba to read ALL of that in the span of the 5 minutes I have left online right now.

[Dissidia]

Who's to say the member that got taken out won't secretly collaborate with his old team, and there's certainly no incentive to help the team that takes him, especially if it's a rival.

I'd say this is a distinct possibility, they could even purposely feed false answers to the team that brought them to sabotage the competition.

The problem with buying/selling existing members is they have allegiances. However, buying a C46 member to help your team (assuming they didn't help create the contest or already know they answers) seems more feasable.

[Cassie]

Well, the option can be there, just that it likely won't be used. However, there is still a possibility that it'll be used as it's supposed to be used, then we get happy campers.

[ghey b]

i have to disagree with blocking a member from a division from partaking in a contest (not that it is humanly possible anyways) even if you remove them from the usergroup so they cant see in (removing them from all other activity in their home division in the process) but with instant messaging beyond our control, there is no way to do this.


as for buying and auctioning members. i could really go either way. i understand everything written above about not participating or sabotage the division they went into (which is very very plausible) all i can say is that if they are being auctioned it was their choice to be auctioned (no captain would auction one of their members that didnt want to be) and if their trying to be bought they dont necessarily have to be sold right. just cause i wanna buy this member doesnt mean they are willing to sell them or if i even have enough...

[Barbaroi]

Personally, the whole "invading another division" thing.. I don't like that. It might just be me, but personally, I feel that if you want to see into the 4th division, you should be a 4th division member (or admin/smod LoL). I personally have no desire to see into another persons division at all and would prefer that no one sees into mine. Just my opinion though.

As for auctioning members. I don't really like the idea... so long as the captains can deny the auction and the members aren't forcibly bought or put into another division then I guess it's not as big of a deal. It's just not something I would approve.

[Decado]

lol, why are people still discussing my suggestions? That's for the C46 isn't it?

Make more suggestions :p

[Barbaroi]

Well, even though they may not want or need my opinion, those suggestions don't really affect them like they would the people in the division. I'm just voicing my opinion is all. As far as suggestions, I don't really have any atm but when/if I do, I will be sure to post them.

[Cassie]

lol, why are people still discussing my suggestions? That's for the C46 isn't it.

The suggestions are meant for everyone to discuss, and for everyone to come to a conclusion as a group. That was the purpose of this thread, to ask what you guys (as a group) want, and to tell you if we're capable of implementing it.

[Decado]

That seemed to have come across differently to what I intended. My apologies.

I meant that we shouldn't take what I said to actually be the new contest prizes.


I know that everyone should be free to express their opinion on the idea, and am glad people can find the flaws in an idea that might crumble in the future ^_^

[WhyteDragon]

What about giving the winning team a chance to force fake hints to their choice of team? IE: 12th wins said contest with 3rd on its heals, so 12th forces the next hints that 3rd requests to be false.

Additions to said winners division, IE optional sub forums or upgrades to their area.

Bonus points (if they are brought back) and the prize points be smaller in the amounts, though enough to break down to members if the DC/VC give points to the members.

Prize could include that the #1-3 teams get some sort of collaboration in the thought of the next contest with the C46 twisting the idea, so that the one picked wouldn't be exactly what was given by said winner.

[Ai]

Someones already mentioned it i'm sure but I thought a little revision to it might be cool.

- Large PM Box.

However instead of just placing it as just one item allow the purchase of several items out of it. For example.

+10 PM Box
+20 PM Box
+50 PM Box
+100 PM Box

And place increasing prices of points for these options. Instead of just having.

Large pm box - 1000

This will allow divs to purchase the size increase as they need it and if they want it.

[SoundWave]

A peek into the mods section.. :o

Custom usertitle? >.>

[Ai]

/me yawns.

Seated/Officer Tag

Currently most divs should have seated officers to at least the 5th seat and not really more then that so as to give normal div members something to aspire to. That being said I know that some divs give everyone a seat.

However if you put a limit on seated positions say to 5 so you have capt/vice then three seated officers then you could create their own usergroup along with a tag along the lines of the capt/vice except in a different color and having the title on it.

"Gotei Seated/Officer"

This will give people in the divisions a little bit extra incentive to gain a seated position because then it would be readily apparent to others in the project and around the forum of their status within their div. Because lets face it hardly anyone actually puts their seated position in their usertitle or sig anymore..>_>...

This would also make it easier for a current admin when say a division like the third comes along and buys/asks for a subsection within their section that only the captain/vice and Seated officers can see then it'll be a lot easier just to figure out the user group settings within the admin cp.

[silverwolf801]

I love that idea. Everyone will finally probably be scrambling to get active to get a seat higher than someone in their division.

[Manchester Black]

I do agree with putting a limit on the amount of seated officers a division can have. Every division should have the same amount, because when they all have a different number then it looks sloppy and confusing.

[Kamina]

Well, if we follow the idea that seated members get a tag similar to the Vice/Captain one, then only a certain number of seatd members should get it. I would say that numbers 1, 2, and 3 would get it. If the division wants to have more seated members declared, so be it, but they wouldnt get the tag. I think that would give people good incentive not only to become seated, but to rise in rank among their division.

[Manchester Black]

I don't know about the userbars for seated members. People can put that in their sig or usertitle if they want others to know that bad.

[Kamina]

I think its a good idea. Just like the Gotei 13 DC/VC one, there should be a Gotei 13 Seat or something one. Unless the captains dont like such an idea, but I think it would be more incentive for seated members to be active.

[Cassie]

My question is: What do seated officers actually do?

With a division that boasts around 10 active members on average, a Captain and a VC should be enough to cover all of the very few administrative duties.

[Ai]

My question is: What do seated officers actually do?

With a division that boasts around 10 active members on average, a Captain and a VC should be enough to cover all of the very few administrative duties.

The point of having seated officers is to delegate the duties that a captain would otherwise have to deal with by themselves.

For instance in the third i'm currently trying to set up the following duties for each seated officer.

3rd - Runs weekly/monthly contests/projects within the division itself to keep activity high in the members.
4th - In charge of posting up voting threads for new members once a captain has approved their request to apply for the div inside the division.
5th - Actively pm's potential members out in the forum and recruits them.

^ An example of what seated officers should/could be doing.

[Manchester Black]

My question is: What do seated officers actually do?

With a division that boasts around 10 active members on average, a Captain and a VC should be enough to cover all of the very few administrative duties.

Very good point. A division isn't like an entire forum. It's really not necessary to have anyone other than the Captain and Vice Captain handling the affairs. If the Captain/Vice Captain starts to divvy up their duties between seated officers, then there will be less reason for them to sign on and be active. The Captain and Vice Captain should be able to deal with things on their own.

I don't mean to come down on your idea Ai. I just don't want something put into motion that isn't entirely necessary. I'm also not completely ruling it out, but so far I'm not convinced that it's needed. But that could change.

[Cassie]

The point of having seated officers is to delegate the duties that a captain would otherwise have to deal with by themselves.

For instance in the third i'm currently trying to set up the following duties for each seated officer.

3rd - Runs weekly/monthly contests/projects within the division itself to keep activity high in the members.
4th - In charge of posting up voting threads for new members once a captain has approved their request to apply for the div inside the division.
5th - Actively pm's potential members out in the forum and recruits them.

^ An example of what seated officers should/could be doing.

I really like your idea of having a hierarchal system of seating within a division, but I don't think any divisions right now are capable of getting enough action within the division to be able to support the system.

The problem that keeps on coming up is that a lot of people seems to want to do all these other things, when they don't offer much on C46 contests. It's our fault if the contests are boring, but it's really not that different from the individual contests that pop up now and then.

What we want, is for a division to be able to run as a team. You win together and you lose together. I've never been fond of the idea of giving incentives for individuals to work harder. I would much rather give incentives for a division as a whole to work harder and win together.

[Ai]

What we want, is for a division to be able to run as a team. You win together and you lose together. I've never been fond of the idea of giving incentives for individuals to work harder. I would much rather give incentives for a division as a whole to work harder and win together.

^_^

If a team fails to participate in a contest then one of their privileges is taken away.

Example

<- 1st can also be removal of half of their points
1st inaction: Removal of large avatars
2nd inaction: Removal of large signatures
3rd Inaction: Removal of large PM Box's
4th inaction: Reducing how many members a division is allowed to have. Kicking the least seated person in the division/least active.
5th inaction: Captain is replaced

This will ensure that in order for a captain to hold their position they must be ensuring their division is active and involved in the gotei project including all contests.

When a division that has had inaction status placed upon them returns to participating in a contest then they are given back one of their privileges.

Post this sort of thing up in the Captains corner/Main gotei project rules and that way everyone knows the consequences because at the moment there are no consequences that div members face for not participating in a contest. This sort of thing effects the whole div and thus them individually as a team together.

That what you wanted, because I understand that previously you could only really take away a teams points.

As for action within the division there is plenty you just have to think about it.

- PM'ing every div member each week with an update of what the division is doing
- In charge of recruiting normal members around the forum via PM
- Organizing inner div contests/projects which a few divs are currently doing
- In charge of posting up contest threads when they're created
- In charge of checking members activity via a weekly thread created in the div
- In charge of reporting to the Captain/Vice Captain about any concerns or ideas the members of the div have that are worth listening to.

Theres a few ideas.

Very good point. A division isn't like an entire forum. It's really not necessary to have anyone other than the Captain and Vice Captain handling the affairs. If the Captain/Vice Captain starts to divvy up their duties between seated officers, then there will be less reason for them to sign on and be active. The Captain and Vice Captain should be able to deal with things on their own.

Nothing say's I trust you more then the delegating of duties from a person in a position higher then you, it instills confidence and a proud feeling of being part of that organization.

A captain/Vice have a single duty only really. - To Run and command a division within their authority.

Commanding means delegating efficiently. If one person takes control of everything then if something happens to them everyone's screwed. If a person delegates then even if they're not there to oversee the goings on the process will still work.

[Cassie]

1st inaction: Removal of large avatars

I like this :P

Only instead of inaction, it'll be put onto failing scores on a given contest, and it'll last until the results of the next contest. Failing scores will be decided by the host of the contest, and naturally failing to participate = fail.

Nothing gets people going like the threat of going back to 120x120 avatars.

[Kamina]

So you do support incentive? The incentive not to be blacklisted with consequences is equal to winning a prize. And most psychology theories strongly support to use of positive reinforcement. Therefore, if you want to get things done, most people work for incentive. Its just like a paycheck at work.

I dont think the system your looking for is ever going to be put in place. Maybe i just being pessimistic, but I kind of think its improbable to have a forum full of elite, active members that keep putting their time and effort in to keep the system afloat. Real life sort of gets in the way of this, and the fact that most people dont want to waste their life away at their computer.

Your right though, it definitely isnt working out right now.

[Manchester Black]

Nothing say's I trust you more then the delegating of duties from a person in a position higher then you, it instills confidence and a proud feeling of being part of that organization.

A captain/Vice have a single duty only really. - To Run and command a division within their authority.

Commanding means delegating efficiently. If one person takes control of everything then if something happens to them everyone's screwed. If a person delegates then even if they're not there to oversee the goings on the process will still work.

That would be fine if the captain had a huge work load. But in reality, the captains and vice captains don't really have so much to do that they need help. It's not like they're administrators of a forum, and have so much to do that they have to give some of their duties to others (mods). I just don't think it's necessary do give seated officers specific duties. If a member of a division wants to look around the forum for future candidates then they should be allowed to, whether it's their "designated assignment" or not. Or if a division member has an idea for a competition within their division, they should be able to speak up regardless of if it's their "job".

[Cassie]

I dont think the system your looking for is ever going to be put in place. Maybe i just being pessimistic, but I kind of think its improbable to have a forum full of elite, active members that keep putting their time and effort in to keep the system afloat. Real life sort of gets in the way of this, and the fact that most people dont want to waste their life away at their computer.

I only ask for minimal participation. There's a difference between putting in a couple hours of effort into a contest that comes out every 2 weeks than wasting your life away.

[Ai]

Only instead of inaction, it'll be put onto failing scores on a given contest, and it'll last until the results of the next contest. Failing scores will be decided by the host of the contest, and naturally failing to participate = fail.

Nothing gets people going like the threat of going back to 120x120 avatars.

/me nods.

Indeed. Unless of course you already have one smaller..:whatevah:

Your right though, it definitely isnt working out right now.

There hasn't been a divisional Contest in about three months. thats one of the few reasons why it isn't working now at the moment. You've just joined at a low point in the activity status of the project.

Also positive incentive is that if the team that has inaction taken against them suddenly starts competiting again in a contest then they get their privileges back.

That would be fine if the captain had a huge work load. But in reality, the captains and vice captains don't really have so much to do that they need help. It's not like they're administrators of a forum, and have so much to do that they have to give some of their duties to others (mods). I just don't think it's necessary do give seated officers specific duties. If a member of a division wants to look around the forum for future candidates then they should be allowed to, whether it's their "designated assignment" or not. Or if a division member has an idea for a competition within their division, they should be able to speak up regardless of if it's their "job".

A captain may not appear to have a large work load to you however there are a lot of extra things that they're required to do within the Captains corner such as undertaking tasks assigned to them by C46, Keeping their divisional stat threads updated, Overlooking their division in contests and submitting answers etc.

The things i've stated above are added on to the tasks like this and you find that the list of things a captain has to do grows longer. They're not administrators of a forum no, However they are administrators of a division.

Say i've recruited a new member then suddenly this new member goes out and starts pm'ing randoms asking them to join the third. The following problems occur.

1. The new recruit may not understand the type of people that the division wants.
2. The division may not need anymore new recruits
3. By pm'ing someone and asking them to join a division that person then takes on the understanding that your talking for the division and if they're application fails to go through they feel rather cheated. One thing I do by being the div recruiter is if an application that i've put forward fails I still chase up that person via PM and continue talking to them and suggesting things they need to do to get an approved application etc. The task doesn't just finish at pm'ing a random person.

As for the competition I think you've gotten the wrong idea from me..

/me mehs

that would still go ahead, Such a seated person if given a position like this would then go through the suggestions throw away the ones that were already made/are silly and present in a much specific personal format to the captain so the captain doesn't waste time wading through a lot of suggestions.

[Kamina]

I only ask for minimal participation. There's a difference between putting in a couple hours of effort into a contest that comes out every 2 weeks than wasting your life away.

In that case its theoretically possible, but people are for the most part are pretty flaky. Lets get one of these contests going to see if participation will be up or not.

Manchester - im with Ai here, the job of a captain/leader of anything is to delegate responsibility. A lot of the time it looks like they dont do anything (or very little), but they are usually the backbone of support and order. and leaving everything up to one person kind of makes the rest pointless, and the threat that one day they will just drop everything and leave. If nobody has a responsibility, without its person that does everything, people will just end up doing nothing at all.

[Manchester Black]

Manchester - im with Ai here, the job of a captain/leader of anything is to delegate responsibility. A lot of the time it looks like they dont do anything (or very little), but they are usually the backbone of support and order. and leaving everything up to one person kind of makes the rest pointless, and the threat that one day they will just drop everything and leave. If nobody has a responsibility, without its person that does everything, people will just end up doing nothing at all.

It isn't up to just one person. There is a captain, and vice captain, and everyone else in the division. I don't mind other people in the division doing things. I just don't think they should be given specific tasks.

[Kamina]

Specific tasks give order a purpose. What is your argument against being assigned tasks?

[Manchester Black]

My argument is that maybe someone will want to do something, but since it isn't their specific assigned task, they won't be able to. The divisions aren't so large that everyone needs a task to keep things in order. The captains and vice captains can handle it.

Also, I'm not saying that only the captains and vice captains should be allowed to handle and do things. Everyone should be able to. But I just don't think members should be limited by an assigned task.

[theblack_dragon]

/me yawns.

Seated/Officer Tag

Currently most divs should have seated officers to at least the 5th seat and not really more then that so as to give normal div members something to aspire to. That being said I know that some divs give everyone a seat.

However if you put a limit on seated positions say to 5 so you have capt/vice then three seated officers then you could create their own usergroup along with a tag along the lines of the capt/vice except in a different color and having the title on it.

"Gotei Seated/Officer"

This will give people in the divisions a little bit extra incentive to gain a seated position because then it would be readily apparent to others in the project and around the forum of their status within their div. Because lets face it hardly anyone actually puts their seated position in their usertitle or sig anymore..>_>...

This would also make it easier for a current admin when say a division like the third comes along and buys/asks for a subsection within their section that only the captain/vice and Seated officers can see then it'll be a lot easier just to figure out the user group settings within the admin cp.



totally agrees seated tiles should be given to top ten seated members in the gotie squads

[Esca]

-compared to being in a division or a GFX team or something.

As per our lack of representative Captain/VC bars etc, not to mention it wouldn't make sense for us to have those

I've been thinking.. why don't the VQE get "Forsaken Leaders" userbars, for those who, well, lead them?

Anyway.. yeah.

[Cassie]

I've been thinking.. why don't the VQE get "Forsaken Leaders" userbars, for those who, well, lead them?

Answer: They never asked for them... at least I don't think so.

Anywho, we're trying to patch up a few things, redo a few things, and hopefully it'll all get taken care of by the end of this week, resuming contests next week.

[Esca]

They never asked for them... at least I don't think so.

Since it's being asked now, technically, is it at all possible or likely to happen?

[Cassie]

gotta ask the big bosses about that.

[Kamina]

My argument is that maybe someone will want to do something, but since it isn't their specific assigned task, they won't be able to. The divisions aren't so large that everyone needs a task to keep things in order. The captains and vice captains can handle it.

Also, I'm not saying that only the captains and vice captains should be allowed to handle and do things. Everyone should be able to. But I just don't think members should be limited by an assigned task.

I also think that if someone is assigned to a job, it will probably get done rather than 5 guys swarming around expected the other to do it. And even if your assigned a task, it doesnt mean that nobody else can volunteer help or consult with the seated member about said task. It will give them authority over the position, cause lets face it, seated members should be slightly different than regular members. And captains and vice captains would have even more say and meaning.

Even underlings like myself can volunteer to do specific tasks or make suggestions and such. Just because we assign 3 people a few tasks doesnt mean the rest of the division will be useless.

[Asuka]

My argument is that maybe someone will want to do something, but since it isn't their specific assigned task, they won't be able to. The divisions aren't so large that everyone needs a task to keep things in order. The captains and vice captains can handle it.

Also, I'm not saying that only the captains and vice captains should be allowed to handle and do things. Everyone should be able to. But I just don't think members should be limited by an assigned task.

Giving someone a job they can take full responsibility for empowers them. Empowerment creates confidence and gives reason to a position. Reason creates activity. It's all part of the great circle of work life.

But to further go into detail: You should not feel like you have no say in anything that has to do with your division. Even if a task is assign to a specific member, I'm sure they wouldn't mind if you had a suggestion on how to run it better. Assigning at task to someone helps in several ways actually.

1: A person that has a suggestion for a task assigned to another member knows who to PM and since said person wouldn't have anything else division wise on their plate, their suggestion is more likely to be heard and taken into consideration.

2. When the Captain wants a report on the status of the assigned tasks, they don't have to PM every member of the division hoping someone knows what's going on.

3. Activity: Most of the time, when someone has a purpose that they know they're responsible for, they're more likely to be more active to make sure their pulling their weight.

[ghey b]

A captain may not appear to have a large work load to you however there are a lot of extra things that they're required to do within the Captains corner such as undertaking tasks assigned to them by C46, Keeping their divisional stat threads updated, Overlooking their division in contests and submitting answers etc.


there really isnt as much work for captains as your making it out to be. there are those things that you mentioned, but normailly they dont take more than 10-15 min to do, and if there is a contest going on everyones focus should be on that and not planning contests or recruiting members and such imo.. i am the "captain" of 3 different groups and i have never had a problem with to much work as a captain.

i agree with laughing man, you shouldnt need to assign things like recruiting and making contests and such. cause then those things reflect only 1 person. anyone that want to make a contest can suggest one. or let it be known if you want to recruit someone, that they make sure to ok it with you or tell them that the invitation to apply is solely they're suggestion.

[Kamina]

Yes, but it could be that there is somebody in charge of recruiting, so you discuss it, and in the end that person decides how to personally PM the person and follow through with it.

And then with contests, one person could be in charge of organizing the contest, but the ideas would ultimately come from everyone.

Ai's idea isnt as individualistic as your making it out to be. Its just coordinating certain tasks to certain people to make sure they get done. Like they are mainly just in charge of seeing that it gets accounted for.

I just think its a good idea to be able to involve the division members in things with some sense of hierarchy and order.

[ghey b]

thats fine and all if your captain wants to run things that way, but in all reality, i just dont think that ppl should be put in charge of stuff like that. those are things everyone should be entitled to do or suggest or maintain.

and even if your captain would run things like this. there is definitely no need to make more usergroups just to give a few seated members who have "more important" responsibilities...

imo

[Dissidia]

If your Captain wants seated members to have certain responsibilities per seat they can already do this without the need for an extra usergroup/userbar. Not all divisions would want to be run this way anyway, which is why division runnings are pretty freeform based on C/VC positions. The proposed idea makes the system more rigid. As already noted, Captains don't have much more to do than regular members already and should have certain responsibilities for the privilege of running the division.

[Manchester Black]

I just think its a good idea to be able to involve the division members in things with some sense of hierarchy and order.

There already is a heirarchy of order. The captain and vice captain are at the top, and the rank continues down through the seated members in order of their seat.

Like Killa and Static said, a captain can run their division however they want. If they want to implement this then cool, if not then that's fine, too. But it shouldn't be something mandatory. It's also not something that requires all new usergroups.

[Kamina]

This may be because the divisions are hardly doing anything. I dont really care about the userbar, im not a seated member either, but going with the theme of being a division, people should be assigned tasks, no matter how useless or menial it may seem. Im not saying the divisions have to be run this way, I am just saying as a suggestion to give them more purpose. This seems to be your complaint, no?

[ghey b]

if your captains wanna assign tasks to everyone in the division. go for it, im not saying it shouldnt be done in your division, but for me, well 12th is about to abolish all seats and only have DC/VC spot

this should not be mandatory as stated before :)

[Kamina]

Just rotate the seats for no reason whatsoever. The divisions are supposed to model the ones in Bleach, and they have seats. So if your seats dont do anything specific or arent senior members in any way, then just rotate them. Or you could do what you want with your division, either way idc.

[Ai]

^ I'd like to point out that my original suggestion was simply to create the seated officers usergroup. So less ranting about it mkay. ;)

The specific tasks for each seat is something which is entirely up to the captain, It should be done throughout the divs to make the seats mean something but it isn't compulsory.

Anyhow.

Contest Continuation

I'm under the understanding that currently the only reason that contests haven't resumed is because there is yet to be a consensus about the points system within current C46. My suggestion is that in the mean time you assign one C46 member to holding one - two project wide contests again continuing on again as usual except instead of handing out the prizes immediately simply put the winners on hold for when the points system is figured out.

This will ensure the project which has gone stale over the last three months of no team contests will start moving again in the normal members eyes. This also provides the rest of C46 plenty of time to complete their discussions on the point system as 1-2 project wide contests should take about a month to a month and a half to complete.

^^

[Cassie]

Contest Continuation

I'm under the understanding that currently the only reason that contests haven't resumed is because there is yet to be a consensus about the points system within current C46.

I'm trying to set up a new Ladder system rather than just the points system. Either way, the new system proposal is being discussed upon, and the plan is to come to a verdict before Monday. We're also working on contest ideas, so a new contest will be released as soon as the new system gets put up.

[Ai]

Captain Challenge

In the anime/manga there are three designated ways a shinigami can become a tachiou of a Division.

1. To take the captain proficiency test (隊首試験, taishushiken?), which requires the ability to perform the bankai. Presumably, most Soul Reapers become captains using this method. At least three existing captains, including the Commander-General, have to witness the test.
2. To have personal recommendations from at least six captains and approval from at least three of the remaining seven.
3. To defeat a captain one-on-one with at least 200[24] witnesses from the captain's division. Kenpachi Zaraki is the only known captain to have achieved his rank using this method.


Here on the project we currently already have #1 and #2 working in the fact that #1 is when a person who's a Fuku tachiou takes over the reigns of the division once a tachiou has left due to various reasons. #2 is when a new division is made or when a division needs a tachiou and C46 and admins decide on a member to make as a tachiou usually a senior member on the project.
However we currently have no way of emulating #3 to become a captain. This could be easily remedied.

Another way to become a captain; A user must first be a seated officer within the division that they're challenging the tachiou for before they're allowed to do this as the only restraint on who can do it.

Simply put a seated officer PM's a member of C46 with their intention of challenging their tachious leadership of the division with a short explanation of why they're doing it. Personally I believe the reasons behind a challenge don't matter because deep down it could merely be ambition on the persons part. C46 then issues the captain with the challenge along with the users name who challenged them. From this point on the tachiou/Fuku tachiou of that division is not allowed to remove that person from the division or do any punishment to them until the challenge is over.

Within the challenges sub forum a new thread is made with the following title.
/uses third as an example.

"Third Division Tachiou Challenge"

Inside this thread C46 creates a challenge/contest which requires for it's results three judges from within C46. The tachiou and the challenger complete the contest. The judges then judge. the winner is the one that gets the reigns of the division.

If the challenger loses then it is up to the Tachiou to decide on their fate within the division.

If the challenger wins then the now ex tachiou is placed in the division as an unseated member to prevent them from instantly rechallenging the Tachiou.

At this point the new tachiou can redelegate their vice captain the seated officers etc.

This will promote the current tachious of divisions to build strong relationships with their divisions and to ensure that they're doing the best possible job that they can within their division. It will also ensure that if a division starts getting antsy about their captain or they job that they're doing or anything to do with their behaviour within the division then they can have a way to change things.

Some rules for this might be the following.

to challenge your tachiou you must meet the following requirements.

- Be A Seated Officer
- Be A Member Of The Division For More Then 2-3 Months
- Have Over 2000 posts
- Have A Certain amount of rep

etc etc.

I'd also like to point out that according to the anime/manga <- Wiki that a Fuku tachiou isn't supposed to be immediatly promoted to Tachiou when the previous tachiou has left for some reason. they merely act as a temp captain until a new one is appointed by C46. In this case if a tachiou of a division leaves C46 should open up a challenge thread for the open leadership of that division which the Fuku tachiou is then welcome to enter allow a certain amount of people to enter the challenge and then the winner as judged by C46 is promoted as that Divisions Tachiou.

New teams

I know it's been brought up before but wiki confirms my thoughts on the matter.

In addition, there is a secret fourteenth division whose official name is the Zero Division, but they are also known as the Royal Guard. The Royal Guard's responsibility is to protect the royal family. Knowledge of its existence is generally only known to the captains of the Gotei 13. The Royal Guard's ranks are comprised of former captains who have been secretly promoted.

Theres one team right there, But thats for something later on. Right now I think the following should be brought in as smaller teams with a limited membership of 5-8

Kido Corps
Special Forces


The special forces at the moment are mainly part of the Gotei divisions because the leaders of them happen to be the leaders of teh division however this is not always so

Originally, the special forces was completely separate from the Gotei 13. However, the head of the Shihōin clan, one of the Four Noble Clans, has traditionally inherited the title of commander-in-chief. Whenever the head of the Shihōin is promoted to a captain of the Gotei 13, these two groups become inextricably linked. Yoruichi Shihōin is an example of one such person when she was promoted to the captaincy of the 2nd Division. Due to this, the special forces were almost a part of the 2nd Division.

As you can see we should create our own Kido Corps and special forces as a seperate entity from the Gotei 13.

All in all that opens up another 29 new spaces within the Bleach project and allows for new responsibilities, more contest between teams and more ideas to fit in.

[Chi]

I second Ai's proposal here, Gotei as a whole needs a change to bring about a new air of liveliness about it. but would like to add must be have over 50% activity.

[ghey b]

those activity bars means crap

all they say is how active you are to the biggest spammers on the board (no offense to the those ppl, but its true)



im on the edge about the suggestion of captains challenge

i dont mind it because im not worried about losing my spot as captain mainly because im confident in myself and that i dont believe any of my members would challenge me for the position.

i do mind it because it could very easily turn into a full out war to become captain, captain after captain being challenged for the spot and eventually could lead to a dissimulation of the division (tho i dont think this would happen immediately). Also with the new probability of frequent captain changes it easily leads the division to become less organized, and more chaotic, even less respected..


putting captains position into c46's hands, i dont like, not so much. I think I am certainly capable of picking one of my division members as the new captain and C46 doesnt need to interfere. I can open a challenge myself if i cant clearly see who would make a good replacement.


new teams, i dont mind at all really

[Chi]

those activity bars means crap

all they say is how active you are to the biggest spammers on the board (no offense to the those ppl, but its true)



i am on the edge about the suggestion of captains challenge

i don't mind it because i am not worried about losing my spot as captain mainly because im confident in myself and that i don't believe any of my members would challenge me for the position.

i do mind it because it could very easily turn into a full out war to become captain, captain after captain being challenged for the spot and eventually could lead to a dissimulation of the division (tho i don't think this would happen immediately). Also with the new probability of frequent captain changes it easily leads the division to become less organized, and more chaotic, even less respected..


putting captains position into c46's hands, i don't like, not so much. I think I am certainly capable of picking one of my division members as the new captain and C46 doesn't need to interfere. I can open a challenge myself if i cant clearly see who would make a good replacement.


new teams, i dont mind at all reallyyour right about the activity bars, i retract the statement about that. Since i've stayed away from the randomness section its gone down 59%.

I think the Captains challenge should only apply if theres a general inactivity within the division, an overall dissatisfaction with the leadership of the division by the said division's members and if the rules and regulations are not being enforced by the said captain and VC of that division. I also don't think VC should be excluded from being challenged. I agree with you that its a division matter and should be handled as such and C46 have the final yay or nay to approve or disapprove the winner of the challenge.

[Barbaroi]

IMO, I dislike the suggestion. A lot of captains have earned their spot. It is not as though they were just given it. Just like JB said, this could do nothing more then promote chaos and unorganized divisions. Since a division is run by their DC/VC, those DC/VC's personalities and traits rub off in the division and the way it conducts itself. For there to be a new DC which in turn will most likely lead to a new VC, them promoting someone they simply like, over someone more qualified, to completely throw a division into disarray. As it's been said before, at least that I remember, the Bleach Project on CB, has no relation to that of the anime/manga, aside from the divisions and VEQ. Just because the anime/manga allows someone within the gotei, meaning anyone from any division, would be able to challenge any captain to their spot. Meaning, a 10th seat from the 2nd division could challenge the DC from the 1st division. Just doesn't seem to make sense IMO. Personally I'm against the idea of it. The new divisions/groups would be a cool idea, but there are already a lack of members for some divisions, and giving more options to choose from, would just thin out the numbers even further.

Just my opinion.

[Cassie]

New Teams/Divisions will be included when the current divisions are filled up and full of at least semi-active members. Until then, adding new divisions will only thin out the current member list.

Regarding the idea of Challenging Captains for Captainship, it's already indirectly/privately in place, except in a controlled manner. We talk to Captains who seem to have problems leading his/her division for various reasons. If the consensus is to remove him/her, then we do that, and look for a new Captain. When looking for the new Captain, we start from within the division, and work our way out. Because we have access to your division forums, we have the ability to judge things in an objective manner.

We leave it very very very very very simple for you guys. If you have a problem with your division and how it's ran, let us know and we'll deal with it.

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

In other words, the challenge against a captain is only allowed if the current captain is incompetent, unable to run the division, or in any way a hinderance to the development to the division?

Anyway, i agree with JB about his views on the challenge, although i wont add on that since Minami aready addressed that post.

[Cassie]

In other words, the challenge against a captain is only allowed if the current captain is incompetent, unable to run the division, or in any way a hinderance to the development to the division?

Exactly.

[Addiction]

Each divisional Subforum has a divisional motto that the divs got to choose ages ago, though at the moment only if your in that division can you see that forum motto undearneath the division. Should make all division subforum links visible to the members of all divisions. Just have them all set to private if you aren't a part of that division. That way you can still only get into your own division.

That way, everyone can all the other mottos and if they change. It'll create a sense of togetherness so to speak.

[Akiha]

I don't think 7th has a motto under the Division's subforum; I've never seen one the whole time I've been in 7th.

And how would knowing someone's motto bring togetherness, so to speak? In my opinion, it wouldn't. If you want to get along with members in the Gotei 13, go to the Noodle Shack or something.

[Ai]

7th doesn't have one at the moment..It appears under your division forum link. like so


8th Division
8th Division - Still the best

Might get all divs to redo the motto's to better reflect the new captains and vice captains me thinkz..maybe a challenge for a few days or so.

[Addiction]

Yeah. The want to change them could cause more activity within the divisions for coming up with new mottos, voting, etc.

The simple point I was trying to make. I guess I kinda left that part out :p

[Akiha]

Change the prizes.

Most are to antagonize other Divisions or a single individual by lowering their rep, messing with their usertitles or messing with their avatars.

Instead of beating down other Divisions, and possibly making them dislike each other, why not better the Division using the gold?

IE: Instead of lowering the rep of another Division, the Division using the gold get a rep boost.

In my opinion, I, and a good general census of 7th itself, think that most of these "prizes" would just cause some hostility towards Divisions.

[Asuka]

We argued about that around the time Contest 64 came out and all the new changes were implemented.

http://forums.bleachportal.net/showthread.php?t=59056

You can check that out and see how it went down then add input.

To summarize: After much arguing and complaining about the negative rewards: Mr. Kohaku agreed to put immunity rewards that can be purchased by the divisions if they want.

I believe there are two: One to keep a specific division from attacking you and the other to be immune from a specific attack.

[Akiha]

Zero pointed that out to me earlier after I made my post.

Thanks, though.

My opinion still stands, even with the immunities.

[Cassie]

I wouldn't mind implementing new prizes that are "positive". The only prizes that I was able to think of were the ones that are there now. Gold is only for fun, serious rewards go with the Ladder, so if anybody has some good ideas for using Gold to increase fun level, let me know.

[Ai]

Edit your post shop with these.

- Take over a admins usertitle for a week: 100
- Take over a admins avatar for a week: 200
- Take over a C46 Members usertitle for a week: 100
- Take over a C46 members avatar for a week: 200
- Change a admins projectplaylist for a week: 300
- Change a C46 members Projectplaylist for a week: 300
- Change C46's Userbar for a week: 500
- Have a news banner tab for a week: 500
- Change a divisions usergroup color for a week: 200

[Cassie]

done

[Decado]

Free Agents;

Expanding on an idea I presented previously in that other thread. This can be for people who are not committed to a division (so for those not in a division - or as said below, for C46 members or non-div admins)

What non-div (or even div members if they wish) do is give their names to be put up as a "Free Agent." They can list all their skills and what they can bring to a division who utilises them.

The free agents can be "bought" for one contest to help the division in whatever way they can.

I'm thinking it'd be great if these free agents were admins not in divs, or C46 members themselves.

For example:

Kohaku - 750 points
Ai - 750 points
Tess - 750 points

etc, would be on the Free Agents list. They would of course, have to give their approval.

A div can purchase a member to help them with a contest. This also, can only work if the C46 member doesn't know the contest answers, but that's obviously fine since I doubt contest answers would have been posted at the start of a contest. Also with things like the storywriting contest, they cannot know an "answer" - only help.

Also, their help should be limited. For example, with the storywriting one, they can only write 1/4 - if their skills lie in writing, etc.

[Ai]

/me likes that one....

List it in the shop under special..:p.....Except price is 800 gold all round....I'm no cheap whore..Welllll....Maybe....

anyhow..../rep for a unique good suggestion.

- This would only be available for contests where only a single C46 member knows the answer..Contests like Contest #66 it wouldn't be allowed.

[Princess Gheyfu]

The "Winter War/Bounto" Idea:

The idea is made to keep teams on edge and to have activity flowing. What the idea is, is that the group(s) "fighting" with the Gotei issue an "attack" (aka a timed contest) towards a division (or divisions), and the division will have to solve their contest within the time-limit or atleast do well in completing the contest to earn points and tallies, and if they dont complete the task, they lose points (kind of like casualties of war).

Differences between the Winter War and Bounto idea:

The Winter War idea can work in many different ways. If we want it to be realistic, we'll have the Espadas vs. the Gotei, but that won't be too fair to the VQ, so what I was thinking is that the VEQ team up to exchange ideas, schemes and ultimately, issue an attack every couple of days. The "Bounto" idea, based on an anime-exclusive arc to the series, works pretty much the same as the VEQ team-up agaisnt the Gotei, but with the inclusion of another team (not teams, like mentioned before), with the new team leading the attacks, but working co-operatively with the other groups to create them. As for where the Bounto will get it's members, I believe a "traitor" system could be fun (aka, we pick a person from every Gotei division to be our informed eye in secrecy, and when the time for war comes, we let them come to our side).

Wins/Losses:

Simply enough, if a division were to complete the task at hand, they will be given the points offered, working in a sort of ladder. Divisions who fail to complete the task, but tried hard enough, for example, if Contest 65 were an attack, a division that only needed 2 or 3 more pictures, but got all the rest spot on, will be rewarded half the amount of points offered. To those who haven't gotten close to finishing the attack at hand, they lose a specified number of points (counting as "casualties of war"). A scoreboard will be set up and updated constantly with the scores of all the divisions up to that point, and possibly, at least for the remainder of the event, a section would be dedicated to challenges and attacks, with the scoreboard as the header, in an announcement, and the top 3 divisions will be shown on the news reel in the index.

The Final Battle:

---Option 1: A 3vs3 (or 4vs4, if the Bounto are included), where the three/four best ranking divisions have to team up and face the VEQ+/-B. The final challenge will be issued by c46 members not commited to any division (or a division that isnt among the top 3/4), and will have no time limit, the first to complete the task perfectly wins.

---Option 2: In this final attack scenario, the VEQ+/-B will issue 3 epic attacks consecutively, that will be issued on a specific time (unlike the other attacks, which are randomized), in order to give the leading 3 divisions time to prepare. The divisions then try team up and attempt to complete the challenges under the alloted time, with only one chance to submit an answer (aka, if they were wrong, thats it, no extra tries). The divisions win if they win either 2/3 or 3/3 of the challenges, however, the VEQ+/-B win if the divisions only land 1/3 of the challenges.

Prizes:

TBA? :D (I'm leaving this up to the ones issueing the attacks, or the C46. I cant say for certain, since specific prizes can be given for specific challenges, and some outweigh others in term of difficulty (especially as the challenges go on and reach their climax)).




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Just my idea. *nod nod* Could be tons of fun, and if its done in July, where many people have break from school (cant say much for those busy with work), we can have alot of participation. ^^

[Cassie]

I like the idea of having free agents.

And rest assured, we will cook up some sort of a grand battle thing.

[ghey b]

free agent = substitute shinigami :p

nice idea :)

[Cero]

Idk if this will be aplicable since the shop was changed...

But maybe add "Give a normal division member mod powers"

:::EDIT:::
It was this in the old shop:
"Add Mod Powers To A Member in the Division Section - 10000"

[Kamina]

After contemplating idea of prizes for the divisional project, I thought of something that maybe most of us can use.

Give gold as prizes for winners of divisional projects that involve winning. This way it would promote divisions to be active and participate in more of the projects. Rep has been rather whored lately as a prize imo.

[Ai]

:D...Wrong thread. learn too read thread titles.

[Kamina]

Grammatical error, used the wrong *to* :D

[Cassie]

After contemplating idea of prizes for the divisional project, I thought of something that maybe most of us can use.

Give gold as prizes for winners of divisional projects that involve winning. This way it would promote divisions to be active and participate in more of the projects. Rep has been rather whored lately as a prize imo.

Why not? It's up to the divisions to come up with creative ideas as prizes to gain participation :P

[Kamina]

True, i was just putting it out there to see if anyone liked the idea. Makes sense to consider when making a contest based project imo.

[Barbaroi]

I was thinking, or wondering, if we could hold an election to nominate at least one other member into C46. I'm not saying this in any negative way towards the current c46 members. It's just, as far as I'm aware, there are only 2 C46 members at this point in time. It creates much more work for the 2 of them. It is also less creative thought with just 2 as opposed to 3 or 4.

It could be held inside this forum (BP HQ) with a list of possible nominees. People would first be chosen as nominees and then a vote would be open to vote for whom people thought would be a good or worthy addition to C46. There could be like 5 nominees (if that many people wanted the position) and a poll would be posted to decide who the division members felt would be best suited to be a new member/s of c46.

Just an idea. More people = more contest = more activity = more fun.

[Ai]

- Several new candiates for Junior C46 positions have been nominated already other C46 members can still nominate people for these positions until it actually occurs.

- C46 isn't organized at the moment because project isn't the top priority at the moment on the forum.

The plan for C46 organisation has been created however and is simply awaiting priority to turn towards the project and last minute changes made that db wants so it is there..We're just waiting for the forum to be fixed

The project won't get priority attention until the current problems with the forum are worked out.

All the stuff about cb going down a week or so ago constantly haven't been fixed properly they've only been given a temp fix and as Db says "He doesn't want to run a project on a broken forum"...

But apart from that what you've said is basically how C46 is chosen inside C46..People are nominated and then they're voted on.

;) Nice suggestion otherwise

[Barbaroi]

LoL. Ok. I understand the whole forum comes first, as well, can't have the bleach project without the forum working and functioning as it should. Thanks for reading xD LoL

[Capt Kenpachi]

Since a big deal with the revamp was that divisions were going inactive I had a thought. C46 determining who gets into the divisions does not do a whole lotta good after the person goes inactive once already inside the division. So what I was thinking was that bi-weekly taichous release a list of the members in the division and what they are currently working on. And it does not necessarily be the taichou that writes up the list. The third seat or someone could type it up and then send it to the taichou for approval before moving on to C46.

I am going to use my division as the example.

Captain- Kray - Filling up open slots - contest xx
Vice-Captain - Blair - in charge of coming up with division project- contest xx
3rd seat - Pink Petals - Keeping track of member activities - contest xx
4th seat - vidDa- Assisting with division project brainstorming - worked on last x contest taking break from current project
5th seat - Girl - Remaining active in division thread but due to school is finding hard to work on contest and division project

Unseated members
xx - doing xxxx


Vacation
6th seat- Capt Kenpachi - will return on such and such date

This would allow for C46 to easily follow what members from every division are working on without them having to do work. Now if for some reason the taichou is unavailable they can contact the VC asking hey what is up with your taichou, if the VC does not respond then C46 knows that they are having an issue with that division and can respond before things get out of hand.

[Sarteck]

We have something similar to that set up in Captain's Corner, a forum that only Captains and Vice Captains can view.

[Barbaroi]

It really wouldn't be necessary for dc/vc to report people going on vacation or even small general inactivity, as they usually return. In which case they don't, it's the Dc/Vc's responsibility to take care of the inactive member before it should become a C46 problem.

[Capt Kenpachi]

Are the division ladders standings (http://clubbleach.net/showthread.php?t=46456) going to be reset before the first contest?

[Manchester Black]

Are the division ladders standings (http://clubbleach.net/showthread.php?t=46456) going to be reset before the first contest?

Of course. The divisions have entirely new rosters now.

[Barbaroi]

Then the top 3 divisions bett