Suggestions, Recommendations On Gotei 13 Project

[DragonBlade]

Here, you can ask any question about the Division project. Here are a few updates to the division project/rules.

all captains are to make competitions that academy members will compete in. depending on how the comps go, and how well behaved the person is on the forum (no black list and such) they can gain entrance to a division, based on the division's particular rules. each division can make its own rules.

I recommend the captains from each division create 1 thread here of the rules of their own competition so people can post in these threads and see if they are worthy of joining your division.


Transferring:
as for transferring from division to division, members must comply with the rules of THEIR division as well as the one they are transferring to in order to transfer.

Also,
all captains will need to PM me with the list of new members that i need to add.

[Dounick]

Ok, I am completely unsure on how i am susposed to join a division now....
is it the same as last time?
or is it different?
i am completely unsure of it now

[DragonBlade]

Captains will post a thread here, with their rules on how to join their division. I believe each captain make their own competition so they know who to recruit. Also, there will be a limit of how many members you can recruit so each division is filled evenly.

[Dounick]

ok, so theres no length of time that you have to spend on here like before? no post limit like before? every other question has been answered now except for those

[DragonBlade]

There is of course the limit. Darren posted it in the Announcements.
http://forums.bleachportal.net/announcement.php?f=42

[fuoheru]

...and then have a soul burial and be sent to Rukongai (150+ posts). Once you have been sent to Rukongai, you have a chance at becoming a member of the Shinigami Academy, which is the first next step to becoming a member of the Gotei 13...
This doesn't relate to the Divisions itself, but what does it mean by "once you have been sent to Rukongai?" Am I supposed to post somewhere else first or PM somebody? Or can I just go ahead and post in the academy sign up list?
Sorry if this is posted in the wrong place

[DragonBlade]

All you need is 150 posts to be "sent to Rukongai" where you can sign up on the list. I'm not sure who is admitting people from the list but I assume we accept most people.

[Lan]

Everyone whom I talked to says that none is answering the sign up list ....
they all told me to just go ahead and post at the divs

[Stigmata]

I was told to PM the Captain and VC of a squad...

[Jasper]

Posting in the division threads without being an official member of the division is PROHIBITED. If done so the user may suffer the consequences. As DB suggested the other captains and myself will post a thread with the rules of joining a certain division. Then, if the member thinks that he/she has fulfilled the requirements then he/she should PM the captain and vice captain of the respective division. There will be a test that the member has to go through in order to join the division. The contents of the test can vary from division to division and from member to the other.

[Pipp-ORK]

So, do each division captain post their particular Rules thread HERE, in this section, or the Gotei 13 section?

[DragonBlade]

So, do each division captain post their particular Rules thread HERE, in this section, or the Gotei 13 section?

Make a new thread here with your rules and requirement to join.

[Neve]

I PMed the captain of my chosen division (6th division) and I was told by the captain that they didn't have enough information to accept applications by PM...everyone else seems to be getting in okay by PM...

[DragonBlade]

Meh. Captains need to post their rules and requirements thread here. Accepting by PM now is not a choice anymore.

[_Ink]

Heh...i noticed how capts and VC gets their name on the forum leader's page, but I don't see all the names there, is it just me? cause I see some but not the rest.

anyway soon as we discussed it over, we post a thread for the 6th div. So no worries, we will get it done.

[Dounick]

in the gotei 13 forum, can you post in there and ask if one can join?

[Stigmata]

Heh...i noticed how capts and VC gets their name on the forum leader's page, but I don't see all the names there, is it just me? cause I see some but not the rest.

anyway soon as we discussed it over, we post a thread for the 6th div. So no worries, we will get it done.

When do you think there will be a 6th div. Rules and Regulations thread up?
I wanna join 6th div. soo much!

[Minami Ikki]

This is the list of how many members the divisions have (Based solely on the threads in this section)

2nd: none
3rd: 16
4th: 27
6th: 16
8th: 7
9th: 9
10th: 18
11th: 26
12th: 8
13th: 2

[Sunfire249]

Wow, 9th was totally forgotten... Would you like some asistance in this area? 9 members total. I can't seem to make a thread even though I'm the captain but... I'm geussing Darren's working on it.

[M_A]

Yes, we need a 9th division thread with our rules and such.

[_Ink]

When do you think there will be a 6th div. Rules and Regulations thread up?
I wanna join 6th div. soo much!

I have already posted the thread, it will still pend on making changes, but if you think you make the game go ahead and write there.

I will add u once I have the time to add to the pending list.

[DragonBlade]

Wow, 9th was totally forgotten... Would you like some asistance in this area? 9 members total. I can't seem to make a thread even though I'm the captain but... I'm geussing Darren's working on it.

PM me with the text and I will start a thread for you. I recommend people to join the divisions that needs more members so I can start competitions.

[Raku]

I PMed the captain of my chosen division (6th division) and I was told by the captain that they didn't have enough information to accept applications by PM...everyone else seems to be getting in okay by PM...


^^ Either I have been an idiot and didnt see that we finally had permission to open applications again or you sent your PM before we had the information given in this thread. Either way I'm sorry for the trouble

[Neve]

No problem =)

[Kabane]

Well i have no idea if im "officially" in the 5th Division, im PMed kuro and she said sure and whatever but that was after everything like this was made? In any case do i apply the "correct" way and wait for her to put up the Rules and Regulations? (which is who knows when)

[DragonBlade]

If the captain says yes, then you are in since I assume the Captain already know her own division rules

[Dark Fire]

ok I signed up for a division back when it only 100 posts now like after I got 100 posts the rules changed. Now DB you told me that I was in your division but I just needed 50 more post but it seems that your central 46 now. so am I like screwed an have to put in a new request or what?

also whats the point in joing a division do we get any special privaliges?

I'm confused *curls up into a little ball* soo confused

[Sarteck]

So, like, when are the 5th and 7th Div's going to have some Rules threads up? I've been reading through all of the divisions Rules (which, for the most part, are the same rules with different wording). Just asking because it's making it seem as if those divisions are inactive, or something.

[DragonBlade]

Right now, I'm thinking of scrapping this and Restart this with fewer divisions. Here is my plan:

We start fresh with 6-7 divisions instead of 12. I'll elect new captains and they choose their own VC etc. Now, the division gets their own name instead of #'s so people dont join because of how the division is bounded by Bleach's Captain.

I want to know if you members want to start over because we are not even progressing. Too many people in one division and I dont want to force transfer.

[MVIK]

Do i get to give my opinion here? Jus wanting to know before i post it here

[DragonBlade]

Do i get to give my opinion here? Jus wanting to know before i post it here

Yes :). I already talked to some of my fellow mods and agreed to start fresh... but I also want your opinions also.

[Kabane]

sounds fine with me...these divisions came out as more of fan clubs..imo.

[Dark Fire]

ok I signed up for a division back when it only 100 posts now like after I got 100 posts the rules changed. Now DB you told me that I was in your division but I just needed 50 more post but it seems that your central 46 now. so am I like screwed an have to put in a new request or what?

also whats the point in joing a division do we get any special privaliges?

I'm confused *curls up into a little ball* soo confused

I am still verry confused

[MVIK]

Dark_Fire, dont care bout that at the moment since there mayb going to be a change.
Well, im fine with the new system CB is going to introduce to us. But im jus wondering, would it still be the same as now or will there b something special to it

[Jasper]

Dark_Fire... No you don't get 'special privileges' other than permission in posting in the division's thread for the time being. In the future should competitions be organized then it would allow you to participate in those.

As to the whole new idea I see no problems with it as it would help keeping things organized and easy to be dealt with.

[DragonBlade]

Another idea I thought of is to let you members start your own division but I'll limit the size to like around 5-10 people depending on who is really interested in this.

[Miriya]

I liked the idea of Club Bleach having it's own 13 divisions from the start - great way to show your pride in being a Bleach fan in more than one way. The fact that there were contests tied into it was even better because it didn't seem like a popularity contest to me. I still like the idea. Sure there should've been more thought put into it before starting the whole thing, but I think it would be a good way for a little friendly competition and mingling....

I don't understand what's so confusing about the whole thing.

[Sarteck]

Right now, I'm thinking of scrapping this and Restart this with fewer divisions. Here is my plan:

We start fresh with 6-7 divisions instead of 12. I'll elect new captains and they choose their own VC etc. Now, the division gets their own name instead of #'s so people dont join because of how the division is bounded by Bleach's Captain.

I want to know if you members want to start over because we are not even progressing. Too many people in one division and I dont want to force transfer.

Well, I am not currently a member of any division, but I'll give my input anyway, because I like talking.

Although I do think that the idea of scrapping the current Divisions and starting over does have some merit , I would have to say "no."

While I was reading the Rules and Regulations for the 2nd Division, I came upon a post of yours saying that the divisions would NOT be scrapped. This is the cornerstone for my arguement. While I do realize that it would be a little tough to get things going as they are, you cannot build a truly Great Thing upon empty promises--you must "stick to your guns," as it were.

Rather, you should change the rules around a bit. I for one, think that being a member of one of the Divisions should be a special thing, granted only to those who are dedicated enough to the site. I would require fairly frequent Captains Meetings (maybe even some of which that Vice Captains must attend). Those Captains that miss these "meetings" too often would lose their Captaincy. This would make sure that the Captains themselves were very active, something that I think should be a prerequisite for holding such a rank.

The Captains themselves (with the aid of their Vice Captains) should hold regular Division "meetings" (though maybe more infrequent) to ensure that all of their division members are active. The rules for attendence for these meetings could be less strict, but still enforced.

The "meetings" could be as simple as "post in this thread sometime in the next few days" or as elaborate as "come to this IRC channel sometime this week, or send your Vice Captain if you will be unable to make it at the appointed time, so that we may discuss matters and set rules on forthcoming events."

There should be a forum which only Captains and the Central 46 can access, as well, perhaps where some of these "meetings" can be held.

Most importantly, each Division should [i]stand for something, and/or have some set goals. This would make it so that those of us (like myself) who join the site don't just pick and choose a division at random, or by what connection it has to the Bleach storyline (despite numerous wanrings against such, I still think that many have joined some divisions solely for the connection to Kubo's charactes, heh), but instead would make us choose divisions based upone interest and what help we feel that we could be to the Division.

Such goals for the division could be things like Role-Playing, recruiting members from outside of Club Bleach to join the forums, organizing Team Debates, handling Introductions to the forums and guiding Newbies, or washing my underwear, and many other things that I'm sure you and others could think of more than I could.



I realize that much of what I stated is looking at a rather grand scale, but I'm thinking about the future, here, and not just the present. Heh. Again, I'm still just a newb with no real experience here at CB, but hopefully you'll consider these things anyway. :3

[moatism]

whats confusing about it all is that its turned into a polualrity contest, almost, which in turn causes these Division member shortages, which in turn kills the whole idea of establishing contests, etc. well, about the whole fewer Divisions(god i've spelled that word soo many times now, it has no meaning) thing...its good, but to me it wouldn't make sense if this is CB and the Divisions have nothing to do with the anime itself. so having random people just start some division called....idk, naked horses, and having it be some kinda official thing, doesn't really make any sense. i feel the Divisions should be integrated somehow, but still have some connection the the anime Bleach, mainly b'cuz thats the reason we're all here, and this is a Bleach inspired forum. i would reallt love to kep this format, but it is starting to seem hopeless. hell, if i didn't love my Division, i'd transfer cuz the difference in Division numbers is quite horrendous. although now thinking of the changes need to be made for this new format......it sounds scary. people would be stripped of their titles, whether it be 5th, 4th, 3rd, VC, or even taichou, and i don't think many people would enjoy that very much. although the idea of thi snew format would help make CBers closer, i feel is hould be given very in depth, drawn-out thought, so that we can divert any other disasters. shit!
*i'm not calling CB the way it is now a disaster.....damn i suck! OK. nevermind that.
plus with new people joining each day(or whatever the register rate is)it makes it harder to make something complex work without any flaws. good luck to you guys. i'll stick around to see what happens.^_^

p.s. - and for christ sake, STOP ALL THE STUPID THREADS!
thank you.

[Hits]

whats confusing about it all is that its turned into a polualrity contest, almost, which in turn causes these Division member shortages, which in turn kills the whole idea of establishing contests, etc. well, about the whole fewer Divisions(god i've spelled that word soo many times now, it has no meaning) thing...its good, but to me it wouldn't make sense if this is CB and the Divisions have nothing to do with the anime itself. so having random people just start some division called....idk, naked horses, and having it be some kinda official thing, doesn't really make any sense. i feel the Divisions should be integrated somehow, but still have some connection the the anime Bleach, mainly b'cuz thats the reason we're all here, and this is a Bleach inspired forum. i would reallt love to kep this format, but it is starting to seem hopeless. hell, if i didn't love my Division, i'd transfer cuz the difference in Division numbers is quite horrendous. although now thinking of the changes need to be made for this new format......it sounds scary. people would be stripped of their titles, whether it be 5th, 4th, 3rd, VC, or even taichou, and i don't think many people would enjoy that very much. although the idea of thi snew format would help make CBers closer, i feel is hould be given very in depth, drawn-out thought, so that we can divert any other disasters. shit!
*i'm not calling CB the way it is now a disaster.....damn i suck! OK. nevermind that.
plus with new people joining each day(or whatever the register rate is)it makes it harder to make something complex work without any flaws. good luck to you guys. i'll stick around to see what happens.^_^

p.s. - and for christ sake, STOP ALL THE STUPID THREADS!
thank you.
I know what you mean. Having random divisions would be weird since this is a bleach forum.
I would like to change the division titles to letters inside of numbers because people assiociate the numbered divisions here with the ones in Bleach and the divisions numbered after the lesser known ones in bleach will lack in member. So I guess a new division system would be a good thing. My first statement just contradicted the latter, didn't it? Oh well.
I think the admins did screw up a bit with the naming of the divisions and getting word to the people that the divisions here aren't related to the actual ones. So I think we should keep our current division system the way it is but change the naming system to letters or colors or something.

[Entenie]

I think that before you start fresh, the mods have to give the system more details. In that way the members know what they're getting at.
Right now people join a division and only read vaguely about some possible competitions en use of the division.
I do think you should keep the division numbers as this is a Bleach related forum, but I don't mind to start all over again. That way people reassign to the academy and the mods or captain handpicks its members from the assignlist. Kinda similar to the NBA draftingsession.

[Sarteck]

I think that before you start fresh, the mods have to give the system more details. In that way the members know what they're getting at.
Right now people join a division and only read vaguely about some possible competitions en use of the division.
I do think you should keep the division numbers as this is a Bleach related forum, but I don't mind to start all over again. That way people reassign to the academy and the mods or captain handpicks its members from the assignlist. Kinda similar to the NBA draftingsession.
That sounds reasonable, I suppose, and is along the same lines as what I posted (at least the bit about defining the divisions a bit more).

The problem there, though, is how the current Captains, VCs, and Seated officers would feel about the change. If they didn't retain their positions, and such, that is.

[Entenie]

The problem there, though, is how the current Captains, VCs, and Seated officers would feel about the change. If they didn't retain their positions, and such, that is.
Well personally I think they should deal with it. It's not the end of the world is it? Besides if they were really that good as captain or vc, the possibiliy to become it again is big I think.
The seated officers is also relative, there are only 2 or 3 divisions who actually have seated officers.
In my opinion a seated officer should have some kind of skill
For instance
3th seat: Bleach sage (has much knowledge of the Bleachverse)
4th seat: Sigmaking master
5th seat: Debate Champion
etc etc, there doesn't nessecarily have to be 10 seated members for all i care

[DragonBlade]

Great idea Entennie but I let the Captains think of what they want to do with their divisions. The idea of having divisions having something "special" is a big no since thats our problem in the first place. People join certain divisions because they believe its related to the Bleach Captains.

[Hits]

Perhaps we should just abandon the division thing and call it something else. Guilds would be nice. That way, people won't assiociate the groups with bleach divisions.

[DragonBlade]

Perhaps we should just abandon the division thing and call it something else. Guilds would be nice. That way, people won't assiociate the groups with bleach divisions.

Naw, This is a Bleach Forum and I'll stick with the Gotei 13 System :). I'm just thinking of limiting the # of divisions to like 6 first then I'll open more later if more people are interested.

[Helikaon]

is the rule about 15 active members= no more recruits still in play?? coz im sure some divisions are still recruiting..

[Hotaru]

We still need to recruit... We only have 6 Division members, so if someone is applying for your Div, please try turning them to us...

[RevRuby]

this is all very confusing, and to be honest i think it's prolly too much. this is a forum where ppl come to talka nd chat, and spam and get to know other bleach fans/obsessives. you're about to turn it into work. most of us here ahve something more important than CB to do for 40 or more hours a week. we have minors in school who need to be concentrating on school and school work, we have young adults in college/university who still need to concentrate on school and schoolwork, adults with full time jobs and possibly part time jobs as well, who need to WORK, then there are people like me. yeh i'm on all the time, not really. i'm on off and on, all day long because i have 3 children 3 and under here at home while my husband works 70 hours a week.

i have my own forum i'm dying for members in, i have art work, and commissions and diapers and snotty noses, i have a 3yo who has obligations 3 days a week, i have my own class at my local community college, i have a friend who is sitting here now, who goes to class with me and spends the night 1 or 2 nights a week, i cannot spend any more time than i already do on bleach. i already spend too much thinking about it constantly, i drive everyone batty with it. i read manga spoilers because i can't dl scanilations.

please don't make it more work for me to be social on here. bastaldo and...icestorm (i think) had to beg me to join a division in order to get me out of my shell. dun do dis to meh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Entenie]

You know RevRuby, you are absolutely right.
It should be about fun first, nevertheless some people think its fun to be in a division and have fun battling other divisions. In stead of playing behind a playstation. they play in Club Bleach.
I guess its best to join a Division if you actually want to participate in such battles.
In that case I think Dragonblade is correct to limit the number of Divisions at first.
In this case we shouldn't make too big of a fuss with the Division, just to make sure the non divisionmembers won't feel left out.

(btw......3 kids?? how old r ya if I may ask? i thought I was one of the more adult ones with one kid, but you beat me.)

[RevRuby]

heh, i have 4, my oldest is 7, but my mother has custody of her. i'm going to be 26 in april.

and i agree with the idea of "join a div only if you ahve time to dedicate to it" but...where does that leave me? i don't have time. so i get kicked out of 12th where i've made new friends (and stlak bastaldo) just because we now all of a sudden want to change things?

i agree with revamping for competitions and such, as long as it doesn't abandon those of us who just want a smaller group to socialize with. i like CB, but it's too big. too many ppl for my tastes. so i enjoy the smaller groups, i.e. the urahara fan club. and being a fan of him may be why bastaldo joined 12th, but i joined 12th for bastaldo. it limits how many new people i have to get to know, and allows me to stalk him.

anyhow... if i lose my division because of this revamping, if it's made to be more work than i can handle, this will be one sad and lonely pony. if people want stupid competitions so bad create guild,s oemthing new and geared towards that from the beginning. don't revamp somethign that is wroking for so many.

[Sarteck]

heh, i have 4, my oldest is 7, but my mother has custody of her. i'm going to be 26 in april.
and i agree with the idea of "join a div only if you ahve time to dedicate to it" but...where does that leave me? i don't have time. so i get kicked out of 12th where i've made new friends (and stlak bastaldo) just because we now all of a sudden want to change things?
i agree with revamping for competitions and such, as long as it doesn't abandon those of us who just want a smaller group to socialize with. i like CB, but it's too big. too many ppl for my tastes. so i enjoy the smaller groups, i.e. the urahara fan club. and being a fan of him may be why bastaldo joined 12th, but i joined 12th for bastaldo. it limits how many new people i have to get to know, and allows me to stalk him.
anyhow... if i lose my division because of this revamping, if it's made to be more work than i can handle, this will be one sad and lonely pony. if people want stupid competitions so bad create guild,s oemthing new and geared towards that from the beginning. don't revamp somethign that is wroking for so many.
Well, why could you not still be friends with those people? I am not understanding that. Heh. Would not the divisions be growing, anyway, in the future?

I an understand you not wanting to lose your friends, and also not wanting to go through the hassle of getting to know a bunch of new people... But these are two things that you are not really needing the divisions for.

[RevRuby]

actually it is. i am in two fc's that's it. not everyone i've gotten to know int eh div is int hose fc's. and i certainly don't have them on my messengers. so talking would become quite difficult without having the division thread. it's kinda like the friends who meet at the mall every friday, then one day the mall closes. hanging out somewhere else is not the same and can be quite uncomfortable.

i may be a pony, but think of this as my cat side. change is bad. don't fix something that isn't broke. let it be a popularity contest, ppl enjoy those.

[Entenie]

So we are of the same age....cool. I was beginning to think I was a rare old geezer whom still like cartoons :P

As I see it, joining a division is to encourage commitment and participation to the forum so I think it should be something every members have to want.
Perhaps we should split the divisions into battle divisions ans socialising division. That way no one will be left out.
Or perhaps we should make another secion called division cafe, were divisionmembers who doesn't want to battle (but still want to be in a divison) can socially talk and .

[RevRuby]

see that's a good idea entenie. battling or other competitions should be optional.

i wouldn't mind roll calls where if you miss like 2 or more rollcalls you're ejected from the division for not participating. that's not a problem for me. just think of me as like ikkaku- i'm too lazy to got o my station but i'm happy to support and a team member.

[Kefka]

I am against limiting the number of divisions...you can't have 6 divisions and still call it something like Gotei 13 or anything. Heck, they won't even be divisions anymore, more just teams.

Sure, it would be fun to have divisions compete against each other, but i see it more as socializing and such. Wasn't the system revamped a bit awhile ago to make it more smooth for joining and more organized? So, that all was put to waste then?

P.S. I should count how many times Ruby said "bastaldo" in a couple of her previous posts. lol

[DragonBlade]

Well RevRuby, Divisions were meant to be competitive and not just a chat thread like a FC. You can always PM them for their IM info etc. Its even better if you guys join us in IRC. Not everyone like popularity contest. I think its ridiculous just to have 2-3 divisions outright destroy the others. The current status of the division project is NOT working for everybody. All it is right now as someone mention another type of Fanclub which is obviously not our goal here. It is indeed impossible to please everyone with the division project but this is why I'm taking your suggestions here.
The talk about "work." Well, you need to "work" to actually have fun right? Only Captain and VC have the most work... while the other members have to "work" up if they want "Seats." I highly doubt this work is too much at all.

The Idea of having a Division Cafe will be taken into consideration :).

Bastaldo: I start with 6 divisions then open up more later.
Also when we actually revamped this, you will have a way better system to socialize like your own section instead of one single spammy thead.

[Kefka]

Ok....are the 6 divisions still going to be called # divisions? If so, is the number of members a division have decide if it stays.

I think there should be some sort of a poll/vote as to which divisions stay.

[DragonBlade]

I'm going to destroy all the divisions. Having a poll is ridiculous cause most would vote for your own and the one with the most members wins. I most likely would keep the Division #.

[pansasama]

You're right, Dragonblade, you're not going to please everyone. So, you really should go ahead with how the project was envisioned at the beginning. Of course, like you're finding out, there are snags and things will have to be revamped, but if the original idea was more of a competition, then that's how it should stay. If one doesn't feel they have the time to commit, then that person shouldn't join in until thay are ready. And for my two cents, I like the competition idea.

[BeeCrest]

Right now, I'm thinking of scrapping this and Restart this with fewer divisions. Here is my plan:

We start fresh with 6-7 divisions instead of 12. I'll elect new captains and they choose their own VC etc. Now, the division gets their own name instead of #'s so people dont join because of how the division is bounded by Bleach's Captain.

I want to know if you members want to start over because we are not even progressing. Too many people in one division and I dont want to force transfer.

I wouldn't mind scrapping the divisions and starting fresh. That could also solve the problem of the uneven amount of members of each division by having everyone re-join and restricting the number of members who can join a division.

[Neve]

I can see your dilemma...I kinda like the division system as it is...I think the more empty divisions would fill up if you left it for a while...but then again they might not and it is a little unfair on divisions with barely any members if there were gonna be competitions between divisions.

Presumably in this new system people would still be allowed to join whichever divisions they wanted? If that was the case, divisions might still stay unbalanced, so just reducing the number of divisions might not solve that problem, though.

[sherenetms]

This sounds like a good idea, although, personaly, i would love to keep the gotei 13 system intact....it makes it feel more bleach-like, if you get what i mean. But i do not have anything against any decision made because this is something for all the fans and not for any specifically or particularly bleach fan. So if it is for the best to restart with 6-7 new divisions with their own names..then it's fine. Moreover, it would be fun to create a whole new Sereitei of our own...i mean Clubbleach is a Bleach World of it own. So no harm changing or creating anything new.

[DragonBlade]

^ Indeed. I would limit to recruitment to around 10 max until its all even out then I either expand the limit or open more divisions.

[BeeCrest]

^ Indeed. I would limit to recruitment to around 10 max until its all even out then I either expand the limit or open more divisions.

Yeah, that was my thought on te situation.

[the purifier]

i think thats rather unfair cause, i for example want to join the second division (already in...but its an example) and then i wouldn't be able join the div of my choice and get to be an a division where i don't want to be......so thats a major flaw in your idea (and about the only 6 in the beginning, i would just wait till the 2nd div is open....)

[adorkable]

But what if you start over. Scrap each division with each of the members in them (inactive and active). What about the captains and vices? What happens to them? Because I think it would be rather stupid, one day you are the captain of whatever division and the next your back with everyone else - wouldn't you feel slightly baffled? But I mean this new project, I'm fine with it (better to get more members recruiting).

Right now, it's a popularity contest or people just join because it is relating to the real divisions in Bleach. Hell... that's the way I saw it, I'll admit. And it really upset (not that much lol) that I didn't get in 6th. So I turned to 13th which was another favourite division (relating the captain). But if there are new divisions, everyone will choose one... They'll just get in one, without relating the division (well maybe a bit, due to the members in the division or the name of it). Maybe a better idea? I don't know. Could it work? Possibly.

Now, if it doesn't work that would be a major disappointment but I doubt that.

[Daeruke]

sry ppl. i cant read every post n i no thats bad but! the new captains have only like 100 posts! i just started to post again so i have no idea whats going on. but this new system? thats just seem unfair to some ppl since u cant just join.

[ChansteR]

also there is also the problem of people who were already in a division might not be able to get in a division at all because the limit on recruits and with the small amounts of divisions, there wont be any spots. BUT o well, I guess the active members will get first dibs then :p

[DragonBlade]

60 Spots is alot and if its all filled, I will open more spots of course.

[RevRuby]

i only said bastaldo 4 times int hose previous posts.

and to be honest it doesn't matter what happens, i'll rejoin a division and if it gets too much go inactive. life goes on, i just really like it how it is. i like the number 12. i like my captain, i like the other members. i dun wanna im people. i have enough ims going on a typical day and i have to be up and down with the kids. posts last. i can just check in. and it's open. so like i asked one person in 12th if they spoke japanese (shinigami_josh i think) and pazu-san answered. that won't happen in an im. chats are too busy or too dead. forums are nice.

anyhow life goes on, i gtg i bought a thingy that stands over the back of the toilet and gives me more shelves in my bathroom. i've been wanting one for almost 2 years now. oh and i'm getting a couch delivered tomorrow so i need to vaccuum. and fold laundry. and stuff.


p.s. i actuallya voided saying bastaldo a lot int his post. so now i'm up to 6 times int his thread. :D

[Shinji]

I think 60 spots will get filled up pretty fast but that wouldn't be a problem if you open new spots.

How will the members be chosen? Depending on how long you've been a member or will it be first dibs? Or maybe after your activity here?

[Random Havoc]

As said earlier, I believe quotas should be made until things balance out... by that time we should be enough to start the divisions properly and do contests and whatever... which will then win rights to recruit more people.

[Minami Ikki]

BUt then recruiting more people will make ANOTHER inbalance between member count. I believe we should have a everyone who wants to join a division PM the captain why they should join and what they could do for the division, so that they can choose those they think who are worthy. Then if we do balance it out and people still wanna join we can raise the member quota slowly probably 10-20 at a time (if it is for all the division spots) or just 3-5 (per division)

sry ppl. i cant read every post n i no thats bad but! the new captains have only like 100 posts! i just started to post again so i have no idea whats going on. but this new system? thats just seem unfair to some ppl since u cant just join.
post count dealing with captains doesn't always count as power doesn't win a fight. Some captains are captains becuase of their seniority level and othes because the mods see fit that they are ready to lead members of CB.

and another question since I'm like DB and am too lay to read the whole thread. 60 members per div, or just 60 opening for people to join?

[moatism]

I think 60 spots will get filled up pretty fast but that wouldn't be a problem if you open new spots.

How will the members be chosen? Depending on how long you've been a member or will it be first dibs? Or maybe after your activity here?

getting a little ahead of ourselves, but i think one way to solve this plroblem would be, once the 6/7 new Captains are chosen, post a list of them. then have those 6/7 Captains make some rules, & requirements for the Division, you know, really organize it. and not have the requirements be like...'if you have 2 legs'. make it something that makes a person earn a spot in that division. maybe one could be....'champion one arcade game'(saying that, knowing i could never do it.)then, after that, and only after that, can they begin recruiting/or excepting applications till their spots are filled. i liked the idea mentioned of revamping thiings to kinda make our own version of Soul Society. this 6/7 Div. idea really helps that along. basically i just feel the Divisions should be some reserved for people worthy of it. make it something to be proud of...kinda. cuz right now, its like somebody can just wake up one day and say, " hey, i should join 3rd Division' and they just go and join.< thats not how it happens really, i'm just being facetious, but it should be something to "work" at.
......well, now that i think about it, those all sound like something people should have to do to get seated, not just join.....maybe thats abit extreme just to join. ^_^
hey DB, will there be a 1st Division this time? XD
i think most newbies find that to be the most confusing aspect of the whole thing. ^_^

anyway, i'm done rambling.

[DragonBlade]

BUt then recruiting more people will make ANOTHER inbalance between member count. I believe we should have a everyone who wants to join a division PM the captain why they should join and what they could do for the division, so that they can choose those they think who are worthy. Then if we do balance it out and people still wanna join we can raise the member quota slowly probably 10-20 at a time (if it is for all the division spots) or just 3-5 (per division)


post count dealing with captains doesn't always count as power doesn't win a fight. Some captains are captains becuase of their seniority level and othes because the mods see fit that they are ready to lead members of CB.

and another question since I'm like DB and am too lay to read the whole thread. 60 members per div, or just 60 opening for people to join?

I would start with 6 divisions 1 captain 1 VC and 10 regular members. Then I would either raise the limit or open more divisions if necessary. There is still a problem of ppl just waiting for a division just to have spots open and stack it.

[Helikaon]

^ Indeed. I would limit to recruitment to around 10 max until its all even out then I either expand the limit or open more divisions.
but problem with that is its going to create alot of problems for the divisions that have high amounts of members.. who will stay and who will go? what governs that? posts= a good member? i dont think so.. creates alot of chaos

[DragonBlade]

but problem with that is its going to create alot of problems for the divisions that have high amounts of members.. who will stay and who will go? what governs that? posts= a good member? i dont think so.. creates alot of chaos

Like I said, I start from SCRATCH. 1 Captain, he/she posts their rules/requirements and recruits 11 people who deserve to be in his/her division. I highly doubt I would choose a captain that recruit spammers into their divisions.

[Minami Ikki]

Icestorm, I say whoever's captain has to be thoughtful and respective of others and have something fair and see all their qualities to see if they should enter. 'cause I myself being the 13th div. captain..(or was I should say) wouldn't want some idiot running around cussing at my other members. Those who make a good impression will usually stand uot, but the others shouyld be recognized as well. My idea is to have it like a job interview where you submit an application and the captain decides "are you right for this division, or will you clash and drag us down".

Therefore we need good captains who can make good decisions such as DB here closing down the whole project jsut to even everything out.

Also, if certain divisions are to have certain qualities (such as an arcade Div, etc.) then that would mean the captains would have to pick specific users with th specified qualities.

Personally I don't like seeing it that way. I believe we should have well balanced divisions so friends are ABLE to be with friends and people won't be seperated just becuase of what they can or can't do

[BeeCrest]

Like I said, I start from SCRATCH. 1 Captain, he/she posts their rules/requirements and recruits 11 people who deserve to be in his/her division. I highly doubt I would choose a captain that recruit spammers into their divisions.

So it'd be entirely new captains and VCs when the new system occurs?

Also, if certain divisions are to have certain qualities (such as an arcade Div, etc.) then that would mean the captains would have to pick specific users with th specified qualities.

[DragonBlade]

The idea of having division having special qualities sounds great but also has flaws. I prefer to have an allrounded divisions to be fair if we competitiions.

[Kabane]

speaking of...what kind of competitions would it be?

[BeeCrest]

The idea of having division having special qualities sounds great but also has flaws. I prefer to have an allrounded divisions to be fair if we competitiions.

Thank you :)

Also, will it be the same captains as now, or will new ones be picked?

[DragonBlade]

I will pick new Captains and the competitions I dont want to think up some right now cause I'm trying to tie all this division ideas together :).

[Kefka]

I also like the sound of all-around divisions....there shouldn't be one division super skilled at making sigs or something like that. ((especially if there is a sig competition lol ))

EDITED Last part as was answered already while I was posting.

[DragonBlade]

I most likely start a thread with info and accept PMs with your applications. I would hold a secret meeting between secret people :) to hand pick our new captains

[BeeCrest]

I most likely start a thread with info and accept PMs with your applications. I would hold a secret meeting between secret people :) to hand pick our new captains

Thank you again ^^

secret people...how secretive of you

And I'm assuming The 1st Div is basically Central 46? (the admins and super mods)

[Hits]

How will the new 6 divisions be named? The problem is that people who join divisions will base their decision on the popularity of the captain. It would still be unfair for some divisions and I wouldn't want to be the captain of the division that has 3 people. I think every division should have a theme to them.

[Kabane]

That effectively stomps on most competition ideas. Say you want 6 distinct groups. Naturally you wnat core themes that arent too detailed within themselves, so lets break it down

Div 1. Bleach Info - more or less gifted in knowledge of bleach
Div 2. Graphic Design - good at designing etc.
Div 3. GAming - yatta yatta
etc
etc
etc

and so on and so on...now if we want to intergrate competitions its more or less unlikely that they will be on an even playing field. You will always have a favorite unless there is some odd competition like who can make the most cookies...

[BeeCrest]

I think every division should have a theme to them.

But as DB said, that would give ceratin divisions an advantage in competitions.

[Hits]

I didn't mean themes that would be related to competitions. The themes would be very random.

[Helikaon]

one problem starting from scratch.. isnt it the fate that the people that were in there divisions will bunch together anyway because they have spent a deal of time with the other people becoming friends and such.. ? Also how will you choose the captains? will it be based on your opinion? or will u evaluate people based on posts.. will there be a required post amount of it doesnt matter?

[Kabane]

er...having something random, usually funny, would tone down the seriousness that DB is probably trying to portray hence the "captain will choose their own people" etc etc.

[Kefka]

I don't think post count will matter. I think it will be more of how the person acts towards others and if he/she is a good leader.

If post count does matter...I don't think I'll have a problem there anyway. lol

[Minami Ikki]

DB personally, I would like to join in with the discussion of cpatains because I want to make sure you pick the right people >O

I do think the current captains should at least have some say in the matter...although might be hard if they want to reapply.
Personally I don't care whether I'm captain or not, it was just cool experiencing being one, I just don't want to see CB fall into chaos.

[Kefka]

DB personally, I would like to join in with the discussion of cpatains because I want to make sure you pick the right people >O

I do think the current captains should at least have some say in the matter...although might be hard if they want to reapply.

[DragonBlade]

I do think the current captains should at least have some say in the matter...although might be hard if they want to reapply.

They do and its right here. Its their chance to tell me what their ideas and suggestions etc.

[RevRuby]

lemme just say, division themes or competition themes, please distiguish between an art contest or a gfx contest. where creating pleasing graphics is an art form, it is very different from creating an image from scratch by yourself.

now i think i may just shut up, ride the wave and attempt to stalk bastaldo to whatever division he lands in.

(7 times now)

i'd like to follow icestorm too. he's tall. numma numma

[Kefka]

So basically...whatever division gets me, Ruby also comes along. It's like a package. LOL

Anyway, is there an ETA for when this new system will be implemented? I'm kind of curious/excited about it now.

[Umi]

>_> I still like the idea of having 13 divisions to begin with, it is a Bleach forum after all...

[DragonBlade]

>_> I still like the idea of having 13 divisions to begin with, it is a Bleach forum after all...

We dont even have 13 divisions and some divisions are already falling apart :/.

[ChansteR]

Well the problem with the 13 divisions is that there are too many divisions, and not enough people being recruiting with like 1 division with 30 members and another like with 5 so I wouldnt mind the deal with only 6-7 divisions, it balances it out.

I dont think post counts should always be the factor, why do people always think the amount of post is power -_-' but if the person him or herself is one that follows rules, enforces them, tells ppl who are breaking the rules to stop breaking the rules, is a good leader, friendly etc. Also, not just post count but activitiy as well. One person can just come in, post a bunch load in every thread, get bout 500 post and leave and come back 1 year later :/

[fuoheru]

I think starting from scratch is a good idea. The divisions aren't even close to being balanced. IMO the mods should have stressed the "not choosing a division based solely on the Bleach Gotei". I didn't know this at the time and chose the 3rd division based on Gin being the former captain of that division.


As a member of the academy, you will be put to different challenges that will be hosted by the different Division Captains. They will assign rules and regulations per challenge, and based on your overall abilities (and of course your actions across all of Club Bleach) you may be apporached by a captain and asked to join that division. Division Captains are allowed to choose their members very selectively, because they will do what they feel is best for the division.

To be honest, I prefer the idea of Captains choosing the members, instead of the members going to them. I think in doing so the divisions would balance a little better then they are now. Of course, there are probably people who don't like the idea of not having a choice on joining a division. Therefore, if a captain has invited a member to join their division but the member wishes not to, they should not be forced to join and instead remain in the list of members who wish to join a division. Just my thoughts on this new division thingy.

[Hits]

The whole 13 divisions thing was way too complicated. I think DB should just restart the whole thing with 6 divisions. the problem is though, my division was voting for the 3rd seat member. And I was nominated. :( I'm so selfish, ,eh?

[Sarteck]

Heh. I think the re-work would be for the best. Though I think it would be hard for us to work up to 13 divisions and keep the member count fairly even starting from six or seven, I'm sure that [with the previous unorganized mess of things] they'll be working out a plan long in advance to handle such things.

Someone mentioned to have Captains seek out new members rather than have new members apply to certain divisions, and I think that might be for the best. Or maybe even have some sort of complicated Sponsorship of new entries into divisions, or whatever, depending on how the captain will choose.

[DragonBlade]

I thought of your idea Fuoheru but that makes it a little complicated. There could be like Captains fighting for one person and forces that person to choose between which division that person would like to join.

[Kabane]

Then why not have a draftpool. Make a list (or not) and take turns picking...or something.

[Kefka]

Then why not have a draftpool. Make a list (or not) and take turns picking...or something.

The Club Bleach Division Draft

Hope I go in the first round. :D

[Sunfire249]

I most likely start a thread with info and accept PMs with your applications. I would hold a secret meeting between secret people :) to hand pick our new captains
Hmmm, so let me get this straight. Basically you're saying you're going to trash everything that's been happening up until now and create something totally new??? I need clarification on this.

[DragonBlade]

Hmmm, so let me get this straight. Basically you're saying you're going to trash everything that's been happening up until now and create something totally new??? I need clarification on this.

Yes. I'm going to trash teh current divisions, start fresh with around 6 divisions, 6 new captains, and some kind of form of Recruitment.

[MooL]

There could be like Captains fighting for one person and forces that person to choose between which division that person would like to join.

Shouldn't that person have the balls to choose a division. We're talking about freedom of choice here. I think our standards should revolve around the idea that the divisions are for everyone to join, but not necessarily to get accepted.

[asian]

hm, i like this idea.
since the divisions are kinda...just thrown together and we don't really have a good idea of what's going on.
less divisions = less confusion = less...rioting?

[DragonBlade]

Shouldn't that person have the balls to choose a division. We're talking about freedom of choice here. I think our standards should revolve around the idea that the divisions are for everyone to join, but not necessarily to get accepted.

Of course. This makes the Draft Idea obsolete hehe.

[Kabane]

lol...drafting..i feel like im basketball.

anyways, it seems to me that most people want captains to choose the division members, rather than the other way around.

plus, if one doesnt get accepted, then the division arent for everyone to join now are they?..

[moatism]

As a member of the academy, you will be put to different challenges that will be hosted by the different Division Captains. They will assign rules and regulations per challenge, and based on your overall abilities (and of course your actions across all of Club Bleach) you may be apporached by a captain and asked to join that division. Division Captains are allowed to choose their members very selectively, because they will do what they feel is best for the division.

after reading this, i'm totally all green lights on starting from scratch! i freakin' love the sound of that.

[Hits]

Ok, I like the idea of letting captains choose recruits instead of the other way around. Maybe in the shinigami academy section, recruits show off their skills to captains. It can be anything from graphics to debate to writing.

[fuoheru]

Shouldn't that person have the balls to choose a division. We're talking about freedom of choice here. I think our standards should revolve around the idea that the divisions are for everyone to join, but not necessarily to get accepted.

Well that was what I was thinking, but then if you think about it. That's what the system is at the moment, and the result is an unbalance in the divisions. IF we were to do the "drafting" idea, members will still have a choice in whether or not they want to accept the captain's invitation. You would just be lucky if the captain of the division you want to be in asks you to join :) As you said though, divisions should be for everyone, but not everyone gets accepted. I'm rather leaning on this idea, so I hope you don't get the impression I'm trying to stomp on the system we have right now.


Then why not have a draftpool. Make a list (or not) and take turns picking...or something.

lol that makes me think of kickball back in elementary hehe. Though, I don't think that would be a good idea. There's the question of who would get first pick, and also consideration of people's feelings if they don't get picked after 50 people have been picked.


There could be like Captains fighting for one person and forces that person to choose between which division that person would like to join.

Um... okay I'm probably thinking to much, but if this idea were to be the finalized and the person does not want to decide themselves. Then I would say when a Central 46 member has the time, to compare the two divisions and find which one the invited member would be better suited for. Example, if the member was a graphics person and Div.4 had no members with knowledge of graphics, whereas Div.5 had two members involved with graphics already. Then the central 46 member would probably choose Div.4 as the better div. Of course the recruit still has a choice on joining Div.4, it's just that the member gets some help with his/her decision to make it easier for them.
:P If central 46 decides not to take part, they can also select 2 or 3 people to do this job as the mediator?

Oh right, since the divisions are being restarted should we take off our division titles and signatures?

[Jasper]

Actually I'm against the idea of captains picking members instead of the other way round. Priority of picking members will be given to the older or perhaps even to friends which doesn't really give enough fairness to the system.

Like Arakawa I don't mind losing captaincy and I guess most captains don't either. We'd all like to see this system successful and working than being on top of something we have no control over :).

[ChansteR]

Zblitz has a point in that matter, if captains are good friends of those of other members, then they will choose their friends over random members giving the other members a lesser chance of getting into a division along with the fact of the newer members being screwd in the matter. HOWEVER, if a member could somehow prove that he or she should be in that division through lets say, GFX battle, some real good convincing skills or something in the matter, then allow them to do so.

Right now, IMO, im leaning towards the captain choosing members idea, it gives the senior members better stance than newer members :p

[Hits]

Zblitz has a point in that matter, if captains are good friends of those of other members, then they will choose their friends over random members giving the other members a lesser chance of getting into a division along with the fact of the newer members being screwd in the matter. HOWEVER, if a member could somehow prove that he or she should be in that division through lets say, GFX battle, some real good convincing skills or something in the matter, then allow them to do so.

Right now, IMO, im leaning towards the captain choosing members idea, it gives the senior members better stance than newer members :p
*nods head* But the trouble is like you said, we all have our favourite members. There is really nothing keeping the captains away from choosing their friends. Unless say, we do a gfx thread to grant people into divisions. The sigs should be pm'ed to a third party where then he can post the sigs up himself without telling the names of the creator. Then the captains can just pick the ones they like best and their respective creator will be granted into the division. Or we could just get a really senior mod or admin to randomly place people into divisions.

[ChansteR]

Well the GFX battle idea, it will make recruiting REALLY long time and not all members are good at GFX so that makes it even harder. SOOO, right now, we are in a slump and mods and admins got other things to do than put like 100 members into divisions, its not like they live near each other or anything (i dont think o_O) so it will take some time to do that.

[Entenie]

well it doesn't have to be GFX only.
I'd reckon that all the division should be diverse, so every division at least needs te have:
Captain
Vice Captain
GFX member
Debate member
bleach knowledge member
Fanfic member
Social member
(fill in if I forgot something)
But anyone can apply for either of these functions.

[Helikaon]

but then a fun filled forum with a inside communtity in your division becomes a obligation.. a person who just wants to be in a division with friends now has to compete in a competion or something? what happens to the people who are social,active and good forumers that donmt have skills in GFX or other such comps.. even with comps how would we decide which type.. Person 1: "im good at sigs" Person2:"oh well i suck at them" Person 2: "how about a debate?" Person 1:"im bad at debating" and so on..

[sherenetms]

*nods head* But the trouble is like you said, we all have our favourite members. There is really nothing keeping the captains away from choosing their friends. Unless say, we do a gfx thread to grant people into divisions. The sigs should be pm'ed to a third party where then he can post the sigs up himself without telling the names of the creator. Then the captains can just pick the ones they like best and their respective creator will be granted into the division. Or we could just get a really senior mod or admin to randomly place people into divisions.

Ths doesnt really make sense.....i'm bad at creating stuff like that, i dont even have a feature on my comp that is specialized in that. Does that mean that i am not qualified to join any divisions since any sigs that i make would definitely not be chosen?

I agree with entenie. A division should have something like that....to completely even out everything.

[Hotaru]

It would be better if every one jst gets their head together and do one challenges at the time... theres no need for all these special posts...

[Kabane]

lol that makes me think of kickball back in elementary hehe. Though, I don't think that would be a good idea. There's the question of who would get first pick, and also consideration of people's feelings if they don't get picked after 50 people have been picked.


of course it would be done behind the scenes, first pick would be random, picked out of a hat, so to speak. Not to mention the initial pick will be extremely limited so i think it would be understandable for one to not get picked at first draft.

Zblitz has a point in that matter, if captains are good friends of those of other members, then they will choose their friends over random members giving the other members a lesser chance of getting into a division along with the fact of the newer members being screwd in the matter.

These Captains were picked as Captains for a reason, they know how to be objective. Clearly if you are concerned about it you arent one to do something like that. Not to mention, since they are captains and since they are supposed friends with such and such member, clearly there is something of merit to such and such member.

Well i doubt any "new" member would expect to be picked out right off the bat. If they havent been around for long we wouldnt be able to judge their character..no?

[Minami Ikki]

See, that's what I'm saying the captains should be chosen wisely and not have someone who is just willing to take in friends and not just other people. I myself spend more time in IRC than here, so I know those people in IRC better. But I also have a little connection with my own division and those in the gfx section. We need captains who can see if the person whether they're your friend or not is better suited in your div than the other.

In my opinion, the draft would be kinda complicated and prolong things even more with all the different timezones and such. But if that's the way to do it, then go for it I guess.

[Kefka]

I always forget to go to the IRC chat channel...I need to remember to hang out there more often.

Anyway...Arakawa is right. The captains should be objective and not pick their friends. Because if they do end up doing that, the divisions might look very similar to what they are now. I think this all comes down to how the captains are picked and if they can do their job objectivly.

[BeeCrest]

To be honest, I prefer the idea of Captains choosing the members, instead of the members going to them. I think in doing so the divisions would balance a little better then they are now. Of course, there are probably people who don't like the idea of not having a choice on joining a division. Therefore, if a captain has invited a member to join their division but the member wishes not to, they should not be forced to join and instead remain in the list of members who wish to join a division. Just my thoughts on this new division thingy.
That sounds like a good idea. With the captains picking members, that could also help in balancing the size of divisions. Maybe we should create another list that people can sign up on saying they want to join a division, and maybe a specific division and then the captains choose. Captains could also pick members who haven't signed up as well, but having a list will at least let the captains know who is interested.

EDIT:
crap, I skipped the 8th page >.<

Actually I'm against the idea of captains picking members instead of the other way round. Priority of picking members will be given to the older or perhaps even to friends which doesn't really give enough fairness to the system.

After reading a few posts, I change my mind about captains picking.

Anyway...Arakawa is right. The captains should be objective and not pick their friends. Because if they do end up doing that, the divisions might look very similar to what they are now. I think this all comes down to how the captains are picked and if they can do their job objectivly.
What Bastaldo said

[Neve]

I don't like the idea of captains picking members, especially with the fact that there are gonna be competitions between the divisions, people with qualities in high demand, like pros at graphics, will get loads of invites, while people who just like to visit the forum and chat won't get any invites, even if they wanna join divisions. I think that people should be able to be in a division without having to participate in the competitions - it is a free forum, after all.

[Kabane]

we said that captains need to be objective. they'll choose who is better for the forum...not who is better for them.

[Neve]

Yeah, but it would suck if you weren't chosen for a division. I think if you start getting captains to choose their members it'll get all hierachial, where the people who are in divisions would be superior to those who weren't, and those who weren't would get really bitter, and it would all be really bad. Like I said, its a free forum and a community, we don't wanna make it hierachial like that

[Sunfire249]

Yes. I'm going to trash teh current divisions, start fresh with around 6 divisions, 6 new captains, and some kind of form of Recruitment.
Ok, so another question. I couldn't find it in this thread actually but... Are the captains going to be mods or something?

[DragonBlade]

No, Captains would be regular members. Drafting is not a bad idea since it forces people to get to know each other but on the other hand, you dont get to be with your friends. Then again, isnt it more fun to defeat your friends in competitions? And if you want to hang out with them, there will be like a Cafe Section where all members from different divisions can chat.

[Hotaru]

No, Captains would be regular members. Drafting is not a bad idea since it forces people to get to know each other but on the other hand, you dont get to be with your friends. Then again, isnt it more fun to defeat your friends in competitions? And if you want to hang out with them, there will be like a Cafe Section where all members from different divisions can chat.
this way we can get more members into a division.. a bit like going to scholl really... you cant pick your class mates but you will end up knowing each other...
The other thng, am pretty shocking at computer stuff, so, if we do it on invite basis, ppl like me, sherenetms and adorkable will be clearly left off the invite list...

[Kefka]

this way we can get more members into a division.. a bit like going to scholl really... you cant pick your class mates but you will end up knowing each other...
The other thng, am pretty shocking at computer stuff, so, if we do it on invite basis, ppl like me, sherenetms and adorkable will be clearly left off the invite list...

Sometimes I wish I could pick my classmates...LOL

The draft could work if organized correctly. It can be very iffy and such.

[maximoose666]

eah, but it would suck if you weren't chosen for a division. I think if you start getting captains to choose their members it'll get all hierachial, where the people who are in divisions would be superior to those who weren't, and those who weren't would get really bitter, and it would all be really bad. Like I said, its a free forum and a community, we don't wanna make it hierachial like that

That is how it used to be previously, in a way. I don't know - a lot of members don't stick around long enough to deserve to be in a division...

And it's good to get some say over what division you're in. Why not let spammers be together in a division, and not inflict them on people who prefer to post long posts?

[Shinomori]

And it's good to get some say over what division you're in. Why not let spammers be together in a division, and not inflict them on people who prefer to post long posts?

I see the number....the number is 4......yes, 4th division is the spam division.

<_<

>_>

Anyways. I'd prefer this way - Captains pick. Each person is then given a list of who would be in their division. IF the person doesn't like who they're put in with, they can APPLY for a transfer. Meaning they have to tell the captain of THEIR division AND the one of the OTHER division why they want to switch, and get their approval. HOWEVER! The trades must be balanced. If one goes, one comes. You could do triangle trade, where rum goes to Africa, slaves come to the East Indies, and molasses comes to the US. Er, basically the point is - people CAN change with approval, so long as the divisions stay balanced.

Personally, I think it's a damn good idea. People are here to have fun. Why not let them do it by being with the people they'd like to be with?

[Kefka]

I like the idea of trades and approval and such....good one!

[Hotaru]

Yee... it seems that you are fairly well educated in trading histoty!!! mind you, african slaves were sold for at the ratio of abt 25 slaves to one rifle... so are you saying that 25 useless division members can be traded for a potential Lt. member from another division whose amazing at everythng...

[Neve]

You people are starting to sway me over this draft thing...but it would have to be done really well...and most if not all active people should get the chance to join a division, even if you don't really have any special talents.

[maximoose666]

I think Shino's idea is the best one, except remove the equivalent trade thingy.

[BeeCrest]

I see the number....the number is 4......yes, 4th division is the spam division.
<_<
>_>
Anyways. I'd prefer this way - Captains pick. Each person is then given a list of who would be in their division. IF the person doesn't like who they're put in with, they can APPLY for a transfer. Meaning they have to tell the captain of THEIR division AND the one of the OTHER division why they want to switch, and get their approval. HOWEVER! The trades must be balanced. If one goes, one comes. You could do triangle trade, where rum goes to Africa, slaves come to the East Indies, and molasses comes to the US. Er, basically the point is - people CAN change with approval, so long as the divisions stay balanced.
Personally, I think it's a damn good idea. People are here to have fun. Why not let them do it by being with the people they'd like to be with?

Haha, only Shino would connect something like the Triangle Trade to this XD

Could someone please explain the specifics on the whole draft idea, because I still cannot clearly grasp the idea (excuse my slowness, my mental stress is really taking a toll on my brain)

[Hotaru]

But if the captain chooses, how do they do what criteria they will choose their members on? and what if they are not willing to join that particular division? altho i do like the idea of trade tho... altho, the would transfer would be better..

[Minami Ikki]

After readin most of the possiblities (and I mean most of by page 6 and on xD) I here's my opinion on them I've given a thought and rating to each.

The Draft
If the draft was chosen it'd be easier on members and captains get to chooose therefore Having captains who are responsible and not just one sided is the key.

But there are SMALL flaws to think about:
- If it comes to a draft, usually those who are more popular are chosen, some may say this isn't fair but hey, in football, no one cares if you cry to your mommy for not getting picked.
- Division members may be recruited into a division they don't like; meaning, they don't like teh people they don't like the whole atmosphere of the division.
- The smallest one if everyone's patient but a big one for those who are impatient: Timezones, since we're all in different timezones, it may be difficult to do the whole thing, so if we do plan on doing this we should try to be on as much as we can to make our picks. And by the beginning of march (HOPEFULLY) we'll be done.

Members submit applicants and captains choose
This format is kinda like a job, it's suited for thoser captains who can actually sit down, and read all the paper work and actually accumulate if the person is right for the division or not. Again, this'll require captains NOT to pick friends over duty..(though sometimes it's better, just not in this case)

Flaws:
- Captains choose therefore if they only choose popular members such as in the other plan, it may just be one-sided
- Members might (if desperate enough) apply for every single division and find out they're allowed to join more than one. (I asked DB about this already he said Ban them, but people still may do it)

One major flaw in both is that new people to CB (but have 150 posts) have the fear of not getting chosen BECAUSE they're new. Hopefully new captains can make things fair.

I may have missed some ideas, review yourself if you want

[Hotaru]

After readin most of the possiblities (and I mean most of by page 6 and on xD) I here's my opinion on them I've given a thought and rating to each.

The Draft
If the draft was chosen it'd be easier on members and captains get to chooose therefore Having captains who are responsible and not just one sided is the key.

But there are SMALL flaws to think about:
- If it comes to a draft, usually those who are more popular are chosen, some may say this isn't fair but hey, in football, no one cares if you cry to your mommy for not getting picked.
- Division members may be recruited into a division they don't like; meaning, they don't like teh people they don't like the whole atmosphere of the division.
- The smallest one if everyone's patient but a big one for those who are impatient: Timezones, since we're all in different timezones, it may be difficult to do the whole thing, so if we do plan on doing this we should try to be on as much as we can to make our picks. And by the beginning of march (HOPEFULLY) we'll be done.

Members submit applicants and captains choose
This format is kinda like a job, it's suited for thoser captains who can actually sit down, and read all the paper work and actually accumulate if the person is right for the division or not. Again, this'll require captains NOT to pick friends over duty..(though sometimes it's better, just not in this case)

Flaws:
- Captains choose therefore if they only choose popular members such as in the other plan, it may just be one-sided
- Members might (if desperate enough) apply for every single division and find out they're allowed to join more than one. (I asked DB about this already he said Ban them, but people still may do it)

One major flaw in both is that new people to CB (but have 150 posts) have the fear of not getting chosen BECAUSE they're new. Hopefully new captains can make things fair.

I may have missed some ideas, review yourself if you want
Well, taichou, for now anyway, yes... your argument is very valid.. a very nice conclusion...
well the draft : very convenient if we need this up and running very quickly... the problem of the member not fitting in the division still persist...
the apply and select : well this is like the previous version, is it not??? so, same problem, right?
for me, as a no name, am to lose out either way, so... make it convenient for most members pls...

[maximoose666]

I don't want Equivalent Trade - I just think we should use the draft, but allow people to transfer if they really badly want to; no need to make up for it with someone else. Let the captains decide to give permission for the transfer or not, maybe after consulting with C46. So basically, transfer isn't normally allowed but, if there's a really good reason then allow it.

(If grammar is bad then sorry but I copied and pasted from irc)

[Kabane]

well i do have an idea..but its very complicated..ish.

Well, there would be one thread, no spamming of course, where each person who desires to be in the Gotei puts down three divisions where they would like to be in, or a simple "any division is fine." As such, things will go into "individual draft pools." In these individual draft pools there would be that select thing (which should be random) in which each captain would be able to choose a person from their respective draft pools. That may be hard to maintain but will satisfy most, if not all people.

though with that...the problem i see is not having enough people request for a certain division.

[Hotaru]

well i do have an idea..but its very complicated..ish.

Well, there would be one thread, no spamming of course, where each person who desires to be in the Gotei puts down three divisions where they would like to be in, or a simple "any division is fine." As such, things will go into "individual draft pools." In these individual draft pools there would be that select thing (which should be random) in which each captain would be able to choose a person from their respective draft pools. That may be hard to maintain but will satisfy most, if not all people.

though with that...the problem i see is not having enough people request for a certain division.
Yeah... that would be the problem.... we have that now... like the 4th, 10th, 11th are over subscribed... and they would have to turn them away, which would lead back to the same problem AGAIN...
I think we jst need really paper-work captains who are willing to jst sit down and sort out all the applicants and invite them to join... i think thats the best way, and it is the way it is done in the actual Gotei 13, i think...

[Kabane]

well since the number of divisions will be effectively cut in half, and each division will start a new..meaning no members...i dont think that alluring "we spam in this div" quality is running a muck.

[fuoheru]

One major flaw in both is that new people to CB (but have 150 posts) have the fear of not getting chosen BECAUSE they're new. Hopefully new captains can make things fair.

IMO, "new" members with 150 posts shouldn't fear not getting chosen or reconized. If they put some thought into their posts and don't spam, many members would probably start to remember their names. Especially with 150+ posts with their names beside them. :face82:

Somebody mentioned different timezones and how it would prolong the drafting thing. I don't see this as a big problem, because I'd rather have captains pick members over a period of time. Instead of having captains meet up a certain time, and taking turns picking people from a list until all spots are filled.

I believe it would be best if the idea of "specialized area" slots are used. So, there would be a slot for a sig maker(probably could make most of the graphics for the div), a debater, so on. These spots should probably be given to the people who have the most skills in that area. If possible, these spots should be filled first, before recruiting other members. This would have the divisions having at least 1 person being skilled in the common areas of this forum, so competitions can start without having to worry about a TOTALLY unbalanced situation. Not saying that all divisions will be equal everytime and in everyway.

[Pipp-ORK]

Marine suggested this earlier, and I thought it was a good idea, so....why not merge the divisions with few members, with other divisions that are lacking in the membership department? For example, the 3rd division. Just couple the 3rd and 5th, say, together, and call the division something other than "the 5th division" or "the 3rd division (XXX Division, for instance).

An issue is the captains and vice-captains, though. I think it'd be fair if the particular division got the chance to elect a new captain and VC. Basically, it'd be evening out the scores, without having to restart this whole division program.

[Sunfire249]

Marine suggested this earlier, and I thought it was a good idea, so....why not merge the divisions with few members, with other divisions that are lacking in the membership department? For example, the 3rd division. Just couple the 3rd and 5th, say, together, and call the division something other than "the 5th division" or "the 3rd division (XXX Division, for instance).
An issue is the captains and vice-captains, though. I think it'd be fair if the particular division got the chance to elect a new captain and VC. Basically, it'd be evening out the scores, without having to restart this whole division program.

I think with that though, the candidates should be the original captain and vice captains of each division... Just a thought

[Pipp-ORK]

SUNFIRE: Haha, yeah! I was thinking that, too. But there'd be a problem. I mean, if the candidates were the original captains and VCs of the two divisions, the ending result would probably be biased. Like, if the 5th division had more members than the 3rd, chances are, the original 5th division captain and VC would have a better chance of getting picked.

[Kefka]

I think it would be better just to scrap it all and start new instead of merging the divisions.

[Pipp-ORK]

I think everyone would be happier if the divisions were merged, instead. Members wouldn't have to leave their respective divisions, and it could reduce hostility between the divisions. I honestly don't like the idea of all the members of my division getting kicked, and starting from scratch. Each member of each division WANTED to join that division, and I don't think it's fair to them or the captains to just trash it.

[moatism]

- The smallest one if everyone's patient but a big one for those who are impatient: Timezones, since we're all in different timezones, it may be difficult to do the whole thing, so if we do plan on doing this we should try to be on as much as we can to make our picks. And by the beginning of march (HOPEFULLY) we'll be done.



One major flaw in both is that new people to CB (but have 150 posts) have the fear of not getting chosen BECAUSE they're new. Hopefully new captains can make things fair.



HAHAHAHA! ok. first, Arakawa dude...we're in March!? XD

second, call me mean, but i don't get what everyone is saying about the newbies. they're new!?!?! of course they can't just jump into a Division and be serious within like 2 or 3 weeks of being here!?!?! you have to spend time here, build some rep, build some friendships, and show that you're civilized! of course they can't just jump into all these things we're discussing in this thread!?! cuz they're new!?!?! thats like getting a new job and asking for a raise within the first month!?!?! its absurd! if you're new and wanna join and be apart of a division so bad, then wait till you meet the requirements, and during that time...make a name for yourself! everyone is like, "oh this is a community for everyone." well, yeah it is, but the Gotei 13 of CB doesn't make up this community! if it did, then there wouldn't be an arcade, there wouldn't be any other threads, like the entire randomness section!, also all the FC's, Bleach related AND not, wouldn't exist! listen although the Gotei 13 is a large part of our little community here, it ain't everything! which further cements my believe that our Gotei 13 shouldn't be just an open bar for everyone to just run around in. if being apart of the Gotei 13 is such a big deal for people, then we should treat it as such, which ultimately means that newbs will have to wait till they've put some time and effort into the site before they can be apart of it on a larger scale.
just my opinion.^_^

[Shinomori]

I don't want Equivalent Trade - I just think we should use the draft, but allow people to transfer if they really badly want to; no need to make up for it with someone else. Let the captains decide to give permission for the transfer or not, maybe after consulting with C46. So basically, transfer isn't normally allowed but, if there's a really good reason then allow it.

(If grammar is bad then sorry but I copied and pasted from irc)

The reason I wanted equivalency is to prevent what's happening now. It makes ALL THE DIVISIONS EQUALLY SIZED. Without it, it'll be the same thing. And we'll have this same argument again. It's a moebius strip of division projects!

[Pipp-ORK]

MOATILLIATA: The requirements state that a member has to have been here for at least a month before joining a division, so that probably wouldn't pose much of a problem.

[Kabane]

i dont think that merging division is necessarily "good." Though it supports keeping this system as it as now, even still, the current system is not good within itself.. From waht it seems...these divisions seem more like fan clubs for spammers. I believe it was intended to be a serious kind of thing where each member was to be rewarded for their maturity and good posts, or something like that. Continuing, how stupid would it be to have a 5 out of 13 divisions, we'd have a 1, 4, 6, 10, etc?? (not saying that if such measures would be taken that those particular divisions would be put together) Merging divisions just makes it look messy.

[Pipp-ORK]

It wouldn't be messy if it were carried out properly. Many people have already suggested replacing the numbered divisions with names, instead. Such as, instead of "the 4th division", we could call it, "the Air_Pwns_You" division, and so on.

So there'd wouldn't be skips in between divisions (having a 4th, 6th, and 7th division, for example, while leaving 5 and 8 out if they merged).

Also, people seem to think it's a good idea to reduce the number of divisions, anyway, so I doubt having X out of 13 divisions would be a problem.

The merging system would also be convenient if this were to happen. Instead of completely wiping out the 13th division, it could group with the 3rd division, and a new captain and VC could be elected, etc. (I'm only using random examples, by the way.)

[Helikaon]

i agree with this.. it takes out the complete complications that would arrive with the scraping the system idea.. that way they would both agree on who they want to merge with.. keeping the members that are friends, re-electing captains and solving the complex problems arriving with the sraping idea.

[Pipp-ORK]

Yeah, like if X division has only 6 members, and Y division has 10, they could just merge with one another.


Also, divisions with a fair amount of members wouldn't be allowed to merge (for obvious reasons), and possibly not allowed to recruit until the other divisions were settled.

[Hits]

I don't think the divisions should be equal in number of members. That would be boring. Though the difference shouldn't be very big, there should be some differences in amount to members between divisions to bring out more competiveness. Divisions have to fight for members in order to survive. I think part of the reward for winning competitions is something like "recruitment points" or whatever. Captains use those points to recruit more members to build a stronger division.

[fuoheru]

but.. if the winners keep getting more members and get larger in size and maybe skills... then they might just keep dominating the other divisions :(

[Kabane]

if a certain division is winning to much or have too many members they could simply be "banned" from a certain amount of competitions.

[Pipp-ORK]

HITSUGAYAT: If it were like that, as Fuoheru said, it'd be exactly the same as it currently is. Two or three divisions would be completely MURDERING the other divisions, and there'd be absolutely no improvement from what we already have. It's a more controlled idea, but I doubt it'll happen.

[Hits]

if a certain division is winning to much or have too many members they could simply be "banned" from a certain amount of competitions.
That's right. And I'm not saying that those recruitment points will be rewarded at every competition.

[saycheese]

huh? but we dont have to participate in comps even though we're in a div correct? secondly, what would be the competetions be abt?

[Minami Ikki]

Moallita: Just a typo, I was gonna put the end of march but thought it was too short so I was gonna put the beginning of April, but forgot to change the month I guess.

I heard the competitions would be based on stuff we do here in the forums such as graphics, debate, writing, etc.

[MVIK]

so when is the system going to be on?

[sherenetms]

Somebody mentioned different timezones and how it would prolong the drafting thing. I don't see this as a big problem, because I'd rather have captains pick members over a period of time. Instead of having captains meet up a certain time, and taking turns picking people from a list until all spots are filled.



If you dont mind, can you please define what do you mean by over a period of time? As you see...if the captains are to pick members over a period of time, it's going to cause some complications...captains who are often on Cb would have the advantages of selecting better and more qualified members...leaving all those not so effecient members to be picked by the remaining captains....should you say that it is to be picked randomly and by turns...then what would happened if one of the captains were not active for some time? the rest would have to wait and the process would be dragged on longer than it is with the original idea of all the captains meeting up and picking the members for their divison all at one time instead of over a period of time...

[Neve]

We could just do it the old way, and have people joining divisions they wanna join - I think it would balance out anyway, because if there's a really full division and a really empty division, people are gonna join the empty division because they want to be seated.

[Pipp-ORK]

ITSOVERNOW: But don't you think that members would just flock back to the divisions they were a part of in the first place? There would probably be a few exceptions, but overall, there wouldn't be much improvement.

Unless changes were made. Such as, a member limit, captains, vice-captains, etc, but I still don't think it'd work very well, in the end.

[Neve]

But if we were halving the number of divisions, people flocking back to their original division wouldn't really be a problem - because members from the other 7 divisions would have to choose, and it would roughly balance out. That would be the idea of halving the number of divisions wouldn't it?

[the purifier]

i think it would stay the same as now. cause people want to join a division because they like it and not because they have no other choice.

[Helikaon]

i have to agree this would just create the same problems, we'd be back to where we started..

[Shinomori]

That's why I vote my way. It's the same, only improved.

It's great tasting AND less filling!

[fuoheru]

If you dont mind, can you please define what do you mean by over a period of time? As you see...if the captains are to pick members over a period of time, it's going to cause some complications...captains who are often on Cb would have the advantages of selecting better and more qualified members...leaving all those not so effecient members to be picked by the remaining captains....should you say that it is to be picked randomly and by turns...then what would happened if one of the captains were not active for some time? the rest would have to wait and the process would be dragged on longer than it is with the original idea of all the captains meeting up and picking the members for their divison all at one time instead of over a period of time...

Well I suppose captains should be active already unless of course they have a legit reason to be unavailable at some point of time. Though, this doesn't mean that they have to be on every single day for the rest of the year, just enough so they don't fall behind withs announcements and things going on in the forum. By a period of time, I meant as in maybe done in a week or maybe even longer. I just don't like the idea of captains not having some time to think about who they want to recruit. A captain that's in the process of picking might be rushed because there's 5 or more captains waiting for him to choose, so they can go to sleep or go to work etc. As a result he might just pick the first or reconized name he sees on the list to have his turn over with.

i think it would stay the same as now. cause people want to join a division because they like it and not because they have no other choice.
Yes, people do join divisions they like, that's why there's an unbalance in the number of people in each division.

[Hotaru]

Can we jst sort this out as I really miss my Division thread..,..

[Shinji]

so when is the system going to be on?
Nobody knows because as far as I know they haven't decided on a new system.

[Hits]

If you dont mind, can you please define what do you mean by over a period of time? As you see...if the captains are to pick members over a period of time, it's going to cause some complications...captains who are often on Cb would have the advantages of selecting better and more qualified members...leaving all those not so effecient members to be picked by the remaining captains....should you say that it is to be picked randomly and by turns...then what would happened if one of the captains were not active for some time? the rest would have to wait and the process would be dragged on longer than it is with the original idea of all the captains meeting up and picking the members for their divison all at one time instead of over a period of time...
Of course, captain would all have to be active and senior members of CB. So inactiveness wouldn't be an issue unless they plan to leave.

[Helikaon]

yeah no-ones knows because this is where we are discussing our ideas on it..

[saycheese]

after the divisions are activated, are one division member say from 5th able to view the 6th div thread? coz if thats where ur meant to plan and stuff, atlest make it so no1 else can see it.

[Dradam]

I don't think the divisions should change...
A limit on the size of the Divisions would help because as the favourite divisions filled up any more people would be forced to choose other less popular divisions...

[VampyreLord]

I don't think the divisions should change...
A limit on the size of the Divisions would help because as the favourite divisions filled up any more people would be forced to choose other less popular divisions...

I agree. This seems like the simplest and most logical decision...

[Hits]

I think there just might be too many divisions for the mods to handle and division competitions would be hard to host with so many.

[Hotaru]

I personally think that this is not going anywhere, so can you please unlock our HQ threads so we can at least talk amongst ourselves in the division???

[fuoheru]

T_T some of you guys seem to be getting impatient. However, maybe it is time for the mods to decide on a system. It seems that nobody else has a different idea then the ones posted previously. There's the pros and cons of each system suggested, so hopefully those will be enough for you mods to make a choice. Remember you can't satisy everybody >.<