Sorry, Aizen. I got caught...

[Fafara]

Episode 62, the greatest of them all.

Matsumoto took Gin's hand and put a sword in front of his throat as Yoruichi and Soi Fong did the same to Aizen. "If you move.. I'll cut your head off...".. Now this is a funny line, I mean, would it really be possible for them to do that? Especially Matsumoto, Gin's reiatsu must've been way too high for her to even scratch him.

[Nood]

I dont think so.
I have no doubt about them being able to cut Aizan/Gin.
It maybe be a bit of risky with Aizen. But I think Matsumoto is pretty powerful, and powerful enough to cut her captain.

[Sandal Hat]

Sado was atleast VC level and he couldn't withstand even Gin's Reiatsu. I doubt Matsumoto could have cut Gin if he was ready for her attack.

[Marke]

More intressted in Yoruichi + SoiFong vs Aizen conflict... i wonder the clitch between them are.

[SmallKid57]

lol yoruichi and soifong mit've been able to cut him... lol they shoulda just klled him right there... but that would end the series...

[Byakuya7]

yea, if Aizen and the gang werent rescued by the Menos, they would have been in serious trouble..

[Sandal Hat]

I doubt Aizen would have any trouble escaping on foot, but Gin and Tousen might have a problem

[xyouxarexuglyx2]

But a lot of the Shinigami were there. Ever Yama-jii. I'm sure he can catch up to Aizen. And 2 Captains.. can't defeat 10 captains (I don't think Mayuri was there)

[Sandal Hat]

But a lot of the Shinigami were there. Ever Yama-jii. I'm sure he can catch up to Aizen. And 2 Captains.. can't defeat 10 captains (I don't think Mayuri was there)

Gin and Tousen = dead

Aizen = Escaped

Why?

He is obviously as strong as or even stronger than Yama and he still has his awesome youth left so he'll tire out the old man :D

[Random Havoc]

He's the ultimate mastermind. How could he lose with his shikai. Ultimate Hypnosis... he'll make people think he's still there, when he could just leave... hell for all we know... there were no Grand menos at all!!! Maybe it was his shikai, it's unlikely, but the power of his shikai goes that far. I doubt Aizen could be stopped and he has the power to help his allies easily.

[Kabane]

But a lot of the Shinigami were there. Ever Yama-jii. I'm sure he can catch up to Aizen. And 2 Captains.. can't defeat 10 captains (I don't think Mayuri was there)

I personally think that if his true motive was to destroy SS then right then and there was as good a time as any.

Yes, 3 captains against 10 BUT Byakuya was severely injured, as was Komamura. Ukitake and Shinsui had some energy taken away as well as Zaraki and Soi Fong. Unohana and Mayuri werent even there and Hitsugaya was almost killed.

Ichigo and Renji were near death and like many people have said, Gin could easily beat Matsumoto, Tousen could easily beat Hisagi and that leaves insignificant vice captains like Nanao.

If they wanted to, they could even bring in Menos...

[saycheese]

if they wanted to destroy SS, its alot easier. just use the hallucinations instantly and at any given time and make em kill eachother. even if 1-2 survives, the trio should be able to finish em off with ease. secondly, that does not include any planning which may occur, and furthermore aizen + gin + tousen -couldve- wiped out the 10 captains by direct combat anyway. no competition in capabilities what so ever. anyways now more onto topic, i hated that scene in 62. gave gin so many sentimental fans >.>

[MazdaRxEight]

tousen shouldve died right there.... the menos shouldve left him lol

[K.Ogawa]

kah! hada ya ne!

yeah, they shoulda just left tousen there and let komamura slap him around

[_Ink]

nah, Aizen already knew of his escape that is why at that point he said "Jikan da" (it is time) he already knew and his followers are well informed, so they did not resist, however, I must agree there was no way for Matsumoto to cut the Captain, nor has Hisagi the ability to repel Tousen, which I seriously doubt has even been fighting seriously before. I mean, he heals kinda quick aint he? like, that was two huge slahes down at his chest and up and away he goes with bandages...it doesn't semm right, plus he was executing a highly demanding duty while doing so from Aizen.
He was injured heavily....or maybe pretending to be, which is why I seriously doubt his play there.

[K.Ogawa]

i thought that. it was all a big game. the bad guy never really acts serious till the end... it's a law of physics

[WizKid]

The menos couldn't have been Aizens shikai because Ichigo and gang saw the Menos too, and they weren't under Aizens spell.

[Glayce]

After reading all that, Soul Society wasn't on the winning side. I don't think Matsumoto could have cut Gin at all and it might be the relationship they had before that compelled Gin to not do anything.

Then again, the other two weren't doing anything either. So the best reason might be the time to go.

[T_Ichigo]

Sado was atleast VC level and he couldn't withstand even Gin's Reiatsu. I doubt Matsumoto could have cut Gin if he was ready for her attack.

she's a experienced VC, and that really differs her from Chad lol .. you can't compare Ichigo's Co with the real V-captains .. And sure Gin could has kill her, but think that she had her blade pretty near Gin's throat lol .. I don't think that Gin is that fast ...

[Random Havoc]

The menos couldn't have been Aizens shikai because Ichigo and gang saw the Menos too, and they weren't under Aizens spell.

How do you know that? Think about it, complete hypnosis! For all they know, Aizen could have made a giant announcement, called every damn dead being in SS< showed the his shikai, and then using his powers, made them all think nother ever happened... How do you know Ichigo was never affected. How do you explain that he was able to stop his bakai with his finger, that by grabbing it with 2 fingers, he attempted to slice his body in two? That's overpowered and impossible might I add, it was obviously the affect of the shikai. Honestly, truly overpowered it must ahve been an illusion.

[Alkarzar]

I am compelled to believe that at least Ichigo was under the spell since Aizen stopped his attack easy.

But can't think of a time which Aizen had the chance to put him under Hypnosis , anyone else think of a chance ?

[Random Havoc]

Well like i said earlier, he could have easily used his shikai led everyone to believe nothing ever happened. It could be as simple and as obvious as that. For all I know, Aizen is teh weakest character from them all... but his shikai gives him unbelievble potential.

[Undying]

Actually it only affected those who were VCs and Captains when Aizen was selected - Isane said so.

And they weren't his Shikai... because (serious Manga spoiler, read at your own risk, Anime watcher.. hehehe Aizen has the Menos on his side... and yes they came to save him
This spoiler closes the discussion whether or not the Menos Grande were Aizen's Shikai.

And yes Matsumoto would have been able to cut Gin. You see, it's a matter of sharpening Reiatsu (same as Ichigo could cut Kenpachi).

So those two points are answered.

[saycheese]

Actually it only affected those who were VCs and Captains when Aizen was selected - Isane said so.
And they weren't his Shikai... because (serious Manga spoiler, read at your own risk, Anime watcher.. hehehe Aizen has the Menos on his side... and yes they came to save him
This spoiler closes the discussion whether or not the Menos Grande were Aizen's Shikai.
And yes Matsumoto would have been able to cut Gin. You see, it's a matter of sharpening Reiatsu (same as Ichigo could cut Kenpachi).
So those two points are answered.

would be able to cut? yea. but would it be possible if gin didnt let her? hmm..

[Undying]

How will he be able to block her? Focus his Reiatsu or something? It's not that simple, the difference in strength has to be enormous.

Look at the Ichigo VS Kenpachi battle, Ichigo could barely slice him at first. But then he managed to, so it's a matter of how much do you focus Reiatsu.

[Naeko]

I think,Gin wouldn't hit Matsumoto even if he could.IMO,he wouldn't mind if he stayed in Soul Society or went to Hueco Mundo...that was a nevermind-kind-of-thing.

[Shaehl]

Whether or not Matsumoto could actually cut Gin, I think he could have easily escaped her. I am of the opinion that he chose not to do so because A) They were about to escape anyway and B) He didn't want to hurt her.

[Undying]

B) He didn't want to hurt her.
That is as important as any other factor, no?

[Ichigo_the_demon_slayer]

personaly i thin kthat the menos grande shouldve just blasted em all or aizen couldve just used hypnosis to make them all think that the menos grandes wasnt there and then killed them while they were dazed and ondfused or he couldve just used complete hypnsis to make them thin kthey killed the trio and then killed them.

[Undying]

I'm gonna have to put a spoiler here... Menos Grande is not the most powerful Hollow. A Catapin would flatten a Menos Grande in a matter of seconds, and a VC should have no problem with them. Also there are enough seated members to obliderate them had they tried to enter. And even those 7 Bankai that were available would have flattened them.
With that in mind, Aizen's plan was to escape... he has a higher goal, after all.

[unwaken]

ya he wants to be god. XD

but i agree with the above points that matsumomo would have been able to cut gin if she focused her reiatsu, her zanpakuto was pretty close to his throat. i also think that aizen would not have been able to escape too if not for the menos grande. somebody (i think soi fong) had her hand on his zanpakuto ---> meaning that he wouldn't be ble to use it.

[ultimate]

i think matsumoto would have been able to cut gin, the sword was like right next to his neck so if she focused some power into that cut she coulda cut him... i think aizen still coulda escaped even if soi fongs hand was on his soul slayer cos he is pretty skilled in kidou

[K.Ogawa]

[QUOTE=Naeko]I think,Gin wouldn't hit Matsumoto even if he could.IMO,he wouldn't mind if he stayed in Soul Society or went to Hueco MundoQUOTE]

believable. the way he apologized to her and how his face looked, she seems to be the only one he's apologetic to. i think this might mean something later on

[Chrono Detector]

But a lot of the Shinigami were there. Ever Yama-jii. I'm sure he can catch up to Aizen. And 2 Captains.. can't defeat 10 captains (I don't think Mayuri was there)

Nope Mayuri wasn't there. If you guys remembered when Isane (Is that her name, the 4th division liutenant) broadcasted a message to all the captains and vice captains, Mayuri said to Nemu that he had no interest in that message whatsoever.

Proves to me that Mayuri doesn't even care what happens to Soul Society.

[K.Ogawa]

i wonder if he'll play an significant part later on... perhaps one of a "good guy"

[zZTensaZangetsuZz]

yea, if Aizen and the gang werent rescued by the Menos, they would have been in serious trouble..
maybe not cause he even could block ichigo n renji's attack he blocked tensa zangetsu with onli 1 finger n ichigo defeated byakuya.so maybe aizan dun need any help from menos.

[Byakuya7]

maybe not cause he even could block ichigo n renji's attack he blocked tensa zangetsu with onli 1 finger n ichigo defeated byakuya.so maybe aizan dun need any help from menos.


Think about this for a second. You have Aizen, Gin, and Tousen...On the other side you have Yamamoto, Shunsui, Ukitake, Yoruichi, Soi Fong, and a crapload of vice captains surrounding them from any possible escape. Do you really think that current Aizen can take on Yamamoto, Shunsui, and Ukitake at the same time with a fully released ban kai? Then we have Gin and Tousen being guarded who could be dispatched by Matsumoto, Soi fong, and the remaining vice captains. The point is, Aizen had no place to go. He was surrounded on all sides by various powerful captains, and a lot of vice captains. Aizen just currently isnt strong enough to take on that many shinigami at a time, even with absolute hypnosis.

[Cassie]

I think a lot of you has overrated his hypnosis ability and underrated the powers of vice captains. Here's what I think:

Aizen's hypnosis was broken by Unohana, although he supposedly "let" her. Also, I think it's more or less a one time use, the next time, it shouldn't be nearly as effective. If it was, then Aizen would be stronger than anybody because he'd hypnotize everyone and there would be no reason to team up with the Menos, or even look for that thing that was in Rukia.

Having teamed up with the Menos, his plan was perfect, including the escape. The Menos didn't save him because they simply wanted to, they saved him because it was the plan.

Just because Ichigo defeated Byakuya and Kenpachi doesn't make him stronger than they are. Both times, he won by breaking their swords, which is more of a symbol of defeating their ideals to win the fight instead of actually defeating the person themselves. Both times, Ichigo was the first to fall, he took the worse damage, and also he was saved by the hollow inside him. At his stage when he met Aizen, there was no way that he could've had a chance. He was badly injured, and probably didn't have much more energy left. At that point, Any captain could've easily done to him what Aizen did. It's like when Renji fought Byakuya, in the end when his sword touched Byakuya, but wasn't able to cut him because he has already exhausted his energy.

Many of the Vice Captains are somewhat inconsistent as portrayed by Kubo. Some of them are made to seem too weak and some not. The reason why Ichigo wasn't able to cut Kenpachi wasn't because his reiatsu wasn't strong enough, instead it was because his mind wasn't in it. Like when he fought Renji, he was afraid. All he needed to do was to do what Zengetsu and Urahara said, look forward and fight, if ur gonna cut, then just do it. Gin is a recent captain, so his powers can't be much stronger than someone like Hitsugaya or Mayuri. Matsumoto's powers is probably one of the strongest among the VCs. Personally, judging by the way she beat up Kira, I feel that she's probably stronger than even renji. Also judging by one of the fights in the Manga later on, she was no weaker than Renji. At that point when she held her sword at Gin, she was determined to kill. so whether or not she's able to cut Gin is not a question. Having knew that they'd escape, it didn't really matter whether he fought or not, so it was best to just let it be and avoid any possible injuries to them both.

Bottom line is, Aizen and his group knew what was going to happen ahead of time, and planned the escape perfectly. If they hadn't escaped, there's no chance for them to win the fight. It's clear that Aizen's plotting abilities are the best, but when it comes to fighting, there's no way for him to touch Yama-ji

[Sandal Hat]

Aizen's hypnosis was broken by Unohana, although he supposedly "let" her.

Unohana didn't break through it, she just had an inkling about what was happening because of her great experience and talent

Also, I think it's more or less a one time use, the next time, it shouldn't be nearly as effective.

What is driving you to think that? Seems like you are the one underestimating.

If it was, then Aizen would be stronger than anybody because he'd hypnotize everyone and there would be no reason to team up with the Menos, or even look for that thing that was in Rukia.

Aizen is already stronger than everyone. Being the strongest doesn't mean you can take them all at once. I can beat up everyone in my class, but not be able to take all of them at the same time.

Having teamed up with the Menos, his plan was perfect, including the escape. The Menos didn't save him because they simply wanted to, they saved him because it was the plan.

Agreed.

Just because Ichigo defeated Byakuya and Kenpachi doesn't make him stronger than they are.

1. Ichigo beat Zaraki without the help of his hollow making him stronger than Zaraki.

2. Ichigo, when his hollow took over was clearly stronger than Byakuya. I do agree that Ichigo would have surely been killed without it.

Both times, he won by breaking their swords, which is more of a symbol of defeating their ideals to win the fight instead of actually defeating the person themselves.

To break someone's sword usualy signifies that you are stronger than they are.


Both times, Ichigo was the first to fall, he took the worse damage, and also he was saved by the hollow inside him.

Not in the Ichi vs Zaraki fight

At his stage when he met Aizen, there was no way that he could've had a chance. He was badly injured, and probably didn't have much more energy left.

Wrong. Ichigo, being able to retain his Bankai form means that he had recovered quite a bit of energy. Also, you can clearly see him powering up for a final strike which in most cases, means the hero will the destroy the enemy, but they used this to signify how far ahead in power Aizen is from Ichigo.

At that point, Any captain could've easily done to him what Aizen did.

Wrong. Yamamoto himself would have trouble blocking that type of attack with one finger.

It's like when Renji fought Byakuya, in the end when his sword touched Byakuya, but wasn't able to cut him because he has already exhausted his energy.

The loss of reiatsu in Renji was far greater in comparison with the amount of power Ichigo had lost. Renji wasn't even able to stand up, let alone retain his bankai form.

Many of the Vice Captains are somewhat inconsistent as portrayed by Kubo. Some of them are made to seem too weak and some not.

All of the vice-captains are portrayed compared to the captains. Which ones are not viewed weak compared to their captains? The only exception I can see is Yachiru and its obvious Renji is on captain level even though he has inexperience with his bankai.

The reason why Ichigo wasn't able to cut Kenpachi wasn't because his reiatsu wasn't strong enough, instead it was because his mind wasn't in it.

Ichigo was determined to cut Zaraki with all he had. It meant nothing until he gained his boost in reiatsu from defeating his hollow.

Like when he fought Renji, he was afraid. All he needed to do was to do what Zengetsu and Urahara said, look forward and fight, if ur gonna cut, then just do it. Gin is a recent captain, so his powers can't be much stronger than someone like Hitsugaya or Mayuri.

Why in hell would Aizen recruit someone as weak as Mayuri?


Matsumoto's powers is probably one of the strongest among the VCs. Personally, judging by the way she beat up Kira, I feel that she's probably stronger than even renji.

I agree she is strong, but if you read the manga you would know that Renji is stronger than Matsumoto. (not to mention she doesn't have bankai)


Also judging by one of the fights in the Manga later on, she was no weaker than Renji.

Read again. The difference in power between their opponents is something to pay attention to.

At that point when she held her sword at Gin, she was determined to kill. so whether or not she's able to cut Gin is not a question. Having knew that they'd escape, it didn't really matter whether he fought or not, so it was best to just let it be and avoid any possible injuries to them both.

Agreed

Bottom line is, Aizen and his group knew what was going to happen ahead of time, and planned the escape perfectly. If they hadn't escaped, there's no chance for them to win the fight.

Agreed

It's clear that Aizen's plotting abilities are the best, but when it comes to fighting, there's no way for him to touch Yama-ji

Its also pretty obvious that Aizen can beat Yama-Jii one on one. It won't be an easy fight and I've already given reasons why Aizen can defeat Yama in another thread.

[saycheese]

Aizen is already stronger than everyone. Being the strongest doesn't mean you can take them all at once. I can beat up everyone in my class, but not be able to take all of them at the same time.

try having
a) a pack of bombs stuck to ur chest
b) sub-machine guns always help
c) automatic shotgun - perfect for clearing a class room.
d) high pressure flame thrower - bbq
aizen is on a complete different level to all of em. its like a walk in the park really, he dosnt give a ****. if u can altest beat up anyone in ur class at any given time with 100% chance that u will win, then ur 1lv ahead. make that 5 guyz and ur about 3 levels ahead. aizen's capability has by far exceeded just a few levels of difference. also isnt vc more of a liability?

[Hollow_Man_ct]

Not in the Ichi vs Zaraki fight

i have to disagree with you cause :
first: if ichigo hadn't fought the hollow inside him in his world, he wouldn't have retained zangetsu and continued to fight zaraki in the first place and owuldn't have learned the "throwing zangetsu" technique.

second: if the hollow hadn't materalized a hollow mask on ichigo's body the wound zaraki gave him would have been fatal.

[sherenetms]

Gin is a recent captain, so his powers can't be much stronger than someone like Hitsugaya or Mayuri.

I believe that mayuri is not a 'recent captain' nor should he be compared to a 'recent captain' standard in the point of their standard of power, considering the captain coat that he wore signifies that he is among the more senior and experienced captains. Most of the senior captains, shunsui, ukitake,aizen, yamajii etc., all wore those captain robes (have no idea what it is called in Japanese) with sleeves. That makes mayuri one of them too considering the robes he wore has sleeves as well. Correct me if i'm wrong about this one. :winking56

[Marke]

Sandal Hat, you are so wise. good reading

[Enkou Kitsune]

Here are my thoughts. In that Many on 3 fight between most of SS and Aizen, Gin, and Tousen, the three might have had a chance. Here's how.

1. Tousen uses Bankai, Aizen and Gin grab his Zanpakto, allowing them to see and hear.

2. Gin Uses Shinsou to slice/stab them to pieces without even moving...

3. Aizen hypnotizes all but the Ryoka (They've never seen it before) into thinking that they are fighting a normal fight, still talking, or wandering through a meadow or something like that...

With The exception of Ichigo, no one else would even stand a ghost of a chance like that, well....maybe Yama-Jii...

I do think that if they all tried to fight without working together...they would have been pwnd...no questions asked...

[XxOrooxX]

well any1 can cut any1 she was VC afterall... and plus she prob knows him well considering their past... Gin is awsome tho.... so funni

[M_Ghey]

If Aizen can stop a powerful attack by someone captain level or a little higher (Ichigo) with one finger, then I doubt that he even had to worry about escaping. It would take him like 3 seconds, and Soi Fon and Youruichi would be dead.

[cheesydud]

remember, aizen's goal is to stand in the true heaven

[Hotaru]

remember, aizen's goal is to stand in the true heaven
Yep... it means that he wants to stand alone... so goodbye Ichimaru + Tousen

[Sandal Hat]

He wouldn't want to stand alone in heaven without some minions to order around

[Undying]

Which is why he has them.

[sherenetms]

I guess he already had more than enough minions, he just needed the few whom e can trust. If i'm truly 'black' as in truly evil and extremely power-hungry >sly grin<, i dont mind being a minion. Hehehe!!!!!!!!!! Aizen....i'm coming!!! Beware.............

[Undying]

Thanks you, sherenetms, for contributing so much to this conversation.

[Sandal Hat]

That was quite an intelligent post you made Sherenetms.

[derangedwithoutglasses]

I always thought that that line was filled more with remorse than comedy. I don't think Gin has the heart to do anything to Matsumoto. Anyone else caught him and he would have probably kicked their ass but not our dear matsumoto.
Tousen probably didn't just take care of hisagi is just because he is against just things and aizen probably didnt do anything cos he wanted to wait for that cool exit.
:musak:

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

I always thought that that line was filled more with remorse than comedy. I don't think Gin has the heart to do anything to Matsumoto. Anyone else caught him and he would have probably kicked their ass but not our dear matsumoto.
Tousen probably didn't just take care of hisagi is just because he is against just things and aizen probably didnt do anything cos he wanted to wait for that cool exit.
:musak:

gd point u got there...i think yure right..

[Sode no Shirayuki]

IDK who said it, but I disagree about Sado being VC level at that point. He could maybe have had a good fight with one, but I doubt he could take one down. After all, Ichigo progressed alot through soul society, sado not so much, and Ichigo was barely able to defeat Renji at one point. Anyways this goes back to the fact that I think Matsumoto was on a different level, and definately capable of killing Gin with that blow.

[iQing]

guys read this :



Hinamorri throw a very serious, full of rage shikai fireball at Gin

Gin doesnt eve look back and the fireball repeled and hit elsewhere

anyone disagree ?

the only known VC who cuts captain so far is Renji

[T_Ichigo]

Gin and Tousen = dead

Aizen = Escaped

Why?

He is obviously as strong as or even stronger than Yama and he still has his awesome youth left so he'll tire out the old man :D

Aizen may could escape, BUT, he would work very very very hard for it .. there were alot of captains there .. and Aizen himself is still on a captain's level .. but aah hard to say

[hellrockz]

Aizen may could escape, BUT, he would work very very very hard for it .. there were alot of captains there .. and Aizen himself is still on a captain's level .. but aah hard to say


true T_ichigo... but u saw how easily histugaya lost to aizen??? and ichigo too... aizen might easily get away

[Karides]

guys read this :



Hinamorri throw a very serious, full of rage shikai fireball at Gin

Gin doesnt eve look back and the fireball repeled and hit elsewhere

anyone disagree ?

the only known VC who cuts captain so far is Renji

When did Renji ever cut a captain? His sword only "touched" Byakuya. If you watch carefully, he couldn't pierce it in.

[ultimate]

aizen could use hypnosis on everybody and just walk away but the hypnosis might affect gin as well [and gin will be standing there by himself thinking aizen and tousen are still there when they are already gone] so he used the menos as his exit... i dont think matsumoto could have cut gin, gin could use reiatsu to block her cut easily but didnt cos he didnt want to hurt her... renji could cut a captain cos he was already captain level and already achieved bankai

[h0f5]

guys read this :



Hinamorri throw a very serious, full of rage shikai fireball at Gin

Gin doesnt eve look back and the fireball repeled and hit elsewhere

anyone disagree ?

the only known VC who cuts captain so far is Renji
hina's weak. I dont get your point there, its either she missed, or if i didnt remember wrongly, i thought kira just blocked it for him. Sado is NOT vc level. Even rukia is stronger than chad, lol. surprise or not, dee roy owned chad when rukia finished him in one hit. No, im not intentionally spoiling the anime watchers. Renjis sword couldnt hit bakuya coz he was awesomely weak by then. he had his bankai destroyed and he was half dead. A vc is not that weak, mind you, those 2 captains were not kenpachis, and the two vcs were not hanatarous. It dosent seem that impossible for them to get cut. But in my honest opinion, the two VCs actually stlil had some feelings for their captains, esp. matsu and gin, even if they were OMGWTFBBQ criminals.

If anyone watches that episode again, youll see that erm... ONE OF THEM was like stepping on aizen's sword so he couldnt pull it out of the sheath. It is logical to think that he hadnt released then, coz if he had he might as well own everyone then go. Which is tactically cleverer than getting a whole bunch of espadas, coming back and owning them, and finding you took a few months longer than your previous best time.

[ggg123]

when ichigo fought kenpachi, kenpachi explained that when two spiritual entities collide, the stronger one wins, thus ichigo didnt cut zaraki.. so assuming aizen has more sprit force than kenpachi, which is pretty safe to say, and assuming that a VC couldnt have as much as Ichigo (seeing as ichigo can defeat captains) then doesnt that mean that a VC couldnt scratch aizen even if they had a open attack?

[Sandal Hat]

Obviously, seeing as how Ichigo couldn't cut Aizen even with bankai.

[Centro]

My theory is that slicing is different from striking with these guys. I don't think these high reiatsu people are like superman, iron skin that they can't even cut themselves (no emo captains? :p ). I'm sure Unohana doesn't have to charge up her reiatsu to perform surgery on them. I think that striking provokes an equal and opposite reaction from the persons reiatsu if the person is strong enough but slicing avoids this.

[wr80]

I don't know about VC's not being able to cut captains but I think they can. Renji vs Byayuka was a good example. Plus Ichigo could have taken Gin and Kenpachi already owned Tousen the only powerful one was Aizen.

[hitsugaya131]

I think that its really not about being VC or captain
Its just about who’s stronger…
Someone could be 3rd, 4th, or 5th seat and they still may be captain lvl or vc level…
That bald-headed guy is a good example…he’s not a captain but he’s captain lvl…
Its assumed that he has mastered bankai…

As for the original question I thought matsumoto could have done so…she’s not that weak

[Winter-war]

good point about the whole power thing because ikkaku is on captain level and yumichika is on VC level

[bastett]

This is a possibility that Soi Fong and Matsumoto could cleave both Gin and Aizen... but would the Japanese director really allow this for a teen-show? Kidding, kidding. *feels bad for Gin and hates Aizen cause she was in the middle of making a cute plushy for her favorite captain... untill he stabbed Hinomori-chan* You jerk!