why is ichigo weak in the filler episodes? [Archive]

Kyouka Suigetsu

03-03-2006, 07:28 AM

K.Ogawa

03-03-2006, 07:35 AM

He's weak so that they can drag the fillers on when they should already be close to complete by now. Logically, he should've been able to just flash step behind any one of the Bound he's faced so far and ended their lives. Also, he hasn't used a Getsuga Tenshou once, which makes no sense other than to keep innocent civillians from getting harmed. He could always aim them so that they just hit the ground though. Finally, Ichigo not being able to use Bankai makes no sense since he had no such problem in the manga. These fillers are trash.

totally agree. most anime's are like that. like in rurouni kenshin, kenshin trashed all those guys in the shishio saga, and after that, he was getting beat around by sub-par characters... that's just how it is. "there's always someone stronger"

sto67

03-03-2006, 08:09 AM

compared to what the manga is up to, these fillers fall WAAAAAAAY short of the manga's greatness. bearable but not up to par unfortunately...

sohcyou

03-03-2006, 09:14 AM

instead of making the characters weaker, they should make the enemies stronger, really makes you not want to watch these fillers when all ichigo does is swing his sword like an idiot like in the beginning of the bleach series

Hollow_Man_ct

03-03-2006, 10:27 AM

didn't u hear what urahara said before? he couldn't use bankai in the real world and there's that reiatsu limit on shinigami, and i think it applies to ichigo since he is on captain level already and maybe even higher, but if he would have fought against them in SS in Bankai form it would have been a whole different ball game...

RukiaYuza

03-03-2006, 11:27 AM

Hello! :)
I think that he is being limited somehow. I have not read all the manga but I don't think that the Soul Society would want full Bankai in the living world. Has any captain used Bankai in the living world?
Anyway I wonder if maybe these Bount maybe trying to somehow drain spiritial energy from the area.
I am not sure about Ichigo's power levels. However this is his first time back in the living world after gaining so much power. Maybe he just needs a little time to get on his feet again.

Caesar

03-03-2006, 11:51 AM

nah, i agree Kyouka Suigetsu!! i mean he learnt shumpo, in fact he mastrered it!
aa too lame. T_T

choking

03-03-2006, 12:40 PM

hes like weaker coz of the enemies hes fighting... man he cant even use his bankai. tsk, tsk.... what a shame.... fillers!!

T_Ichigo

03-03-2006, 12:57 PM

He's a newbie deathgod at the moment man, it's not easy for him to fight at the real world, as a newbie deathgod .. =)

Marke

03-03-2006, 01:30 PM

all Shinigamis powers are greater in SoulSociety what ive figured...

thats is what Urahra was talking about, since he cant use his Bankai in the real world, its only normal that he aint as powerfull as he was in SS

Kyouka Suigetsu

03-03-2006, 03:15 PM

The fact is that he's not limited. The power restrictions only apply to Captains and Vice Captains of one of the thirteen divisions. Their limiters are actually the squad badges they were. Ichigo never received one and the substitute shinigami badge doesn't do that. Trust me, I know.

Qc0Jh1axT

03-03-2006, 03:32 PM

although urahara said there's a limit on shinigami in the real world, which is correct, but for anyone who has read the manga, well it's not really true.

they CAN release bankai in the real world. Ikkaku used his bankai and won in the real world while fighting. renji and hitsugaya released bankai in the real world in the manga. it's just that their power itself was limited. it's NOT because they are limited to use bankai.

like what someone said before, the fillers' explanations are not really accurate.

Ryoko

03-03-2006, 06:51 PM

someone really needs to get some numbers for power lvls in bleach so we can see it relatively. Next thing...take the fillers with a grain of salt, also now that ichigo has saved rukia....all his resolve has probobally been put to the side.

saycheese

03-03-2006, 06:57 PM

a) its a filler, and he cant be stronger than he is when manga picks up again. b) stoping a historical repeat of dragonball.

sohcyou

03-03-2006, 07:33 PM

Even if their is a limit, he should still be kicking ass. He is stronger then Byukuya, and in the earlier episodes Byukuya even with the limiter in the real world and with Ichigo in his rage state still got his ass owned.

ade.hell

03-03-2006, 07:47 PM

"his ass owned"... I know you didn't mean this, but it sounds to me like yaoi...
Not only Ichigo got weaker. Everybody did so.

Undying

03-03-2006, 10:08 PM

And funny enough, everyone ignores Kyouka Suigetsu's comments. It's not because you think the guy is illusion, right? :D

Honestly, the fillers are so lame with this. At the very beginning, during the Urahara training, at the Shattered Shaft, Zangetsu states that Ichigo possesses his own complete Shinigami powers. He is not a newbie Shinigami, and being in the real world has zero effect on him or on any other Shinigami. Period. Trust me, I know this.

Bankai. Heh. They just messed this completely. Bankai shouldn't have anything to do with the whereabouts of it's user.

And no, all Shinigami powers aren't greater in Soul-Society, it's the Quincy's powers that are, because they draw their power from without - i.e. from their surroundings. Shinigami use their own inner strength, materialized in the form of a Zanpakuto. So they don't depend on their whereabouts for power. (<--this explanation, btw, is in the Manga chapter equivelant to episodes 13-15. However the Anime removed them, thus making many people think wrong thoughts. :rolleyes: )

I think this closes the discussion as to why is he weaker... those are fillers. As stated by Kyouka Suigetsu, they made it so the can drag those damn fillers on and on.

Don't ignore Kyouka, no he isn't an illusion ;).

MazdaRxEight

03-03-2006, 11:54 PM

well it is a filler, so dont expect too much for now

Zanga

03-04-2006, 01:03 AM

Desipte that, he should be able to use shunpo, and bankai with no problem. This eexcuse to not be able to use bankai is just bullshit and pathetic. He ppreformed bankai perfectly while facing of aainst Byakuya, and did it perfectly in the manga...Plus he used the getsuga tenshou on Cloud, but it was a pathetic shot, being probably smaller than Cloud himself.

Kyouka Suigetsu

03-04-2006, 03:22 AM

I thought that Getsuga Tenshou was interesting. It was actually crescent shaped like how the black ones are supposed to be. *sigh*, just another thing the anime has messed up.

Kabane

03-04-2006, 03:33 AM

dreamofme

03-04-2006, 03:45 AM

having read the manga, the fillers are really just to drag on. i mean. hey there Are fillers afterall. and anyway. ichigo having difficulties using bankai is quite a thoughtful one, as it'll allow the fillers to have more storyline imho.

captain krunch

03-04-2006, 06:58 AM

Bankai. Heh. They just messed this completely. Bankai shouldn't have anything to do with the whereabouts of it's user.
And no, all Shinigami powers aren't greater in Soul-Society, it's the Quincy's powers that are, because they draw their power from without - i.e. from their surroundings. Shinigami use their own inner strength, materialized in the form of a Zanpakuto. So they don't depend on their whereabouts for power. (<--this explanation, btw, is in the Manga chapter equivelant to episodes 13-15. However the Anime removed them, thus making many people think wrong thoughts. :rolleyes: )
I think this closes the discussion as to why is he weaker... those are fillers. As stated by Kyouka Suigetsu, they made it so the can drag those damn fillers on and on.
Don't ignore Kyouka, no he isn't an illusion ;).

the reason we anime readers think ichigo's powers are limited is because in the anime, in episode 31 renji comes out and says any shinigami w/ power levels of VC or Captain has their power limited 5fold so as not to disrupt the human world. b/c of this statement i was lead to believe that ichi would have to overcome this 5fold division of his power to reach bankai again. just by watching the anime, ichi's inability to hit bankai does make sense. i know its not the same in the manga, but thats how it was explained in the anime. it doesnt make it right, but thats what we were told.

K.Ogawa

03-04-2006, 11:03 AM

^^^

yeah, what he said.

"his ass owned"... I know you didn't mean this, but it sounds to me like yaoi...

kah!, too good :LOL:

zZTensaZangetsuZz

03-04-2006, 11:50 AM

Hollow_Man_ct

03-05-2006, 07:51 AM

i meant by captain level shinigami that he has the same POWER and not official level by SS, he beat renji, zaraki and byakuya so he can overpower a captain so he has captain level POWER so he has to be limited as well,and also captain krunch's statment is quite true, maybe ichigo must increase his power 5 fold in the real world to return to bankai (then he'd be 25 times more powerful in SS), also i think that the manga skipped the fillers so the anime is just a prequel to the manga.

Enkou Kitsune

03-05-2006, 04:09 PM

....

Ok....not directed at anyone in particular, but...I'm getting tired of hearing..."The fillers ...blah blah...the fillers suck..." I for one actualy enjoy the fillers. It's like a bonus storyline...

There are two possible explanaitions for why Ichigo cannot just pwn the bountu...

1. His power is limited in the living World... (Possible, since he's stronger than most captains...)
2. The Bountu are just that freakin powerful....(Also possible, since Ukitake nearly crapped himself when he saw what they were dealing with...and Ukitake was ready to take on Yama-Jii)

I honestly think that it is a combination of the two. I think that Ichigo's power has been reduced by a factor of 5, and that the Bountu are so freakin powerful.

Someone said, "Trust me, it's not", saying that Ichigo's Substitute Badge didn't mark him for power limitation in the real world...If this came from the manga...all I can say is, "How do you know that?" The filler doesn't follow the manga...so, how can you be sure? Hmm?

[end Rant...]

Sorry if I've offended anyone...I just wanted to get that off my chest...I'll play nicer now....I promise...lol

Cheryl

03-05-2006, 04:20 PM

although urahara said there's a limit on shinigami in the real world, which is correct, but for anyone who has read the manga, well it's not really true.
they CAN release bankai in the real world. Ikkaku used his bankai and won in the real world while fighting. renji and hitsugaya released bankai in the real world in the manga. it's just that their power itself was limited. it's NOT because they are limited to use bankai.
like what someone said before, the fillers' explanations are not really accurate.

I agree...

Marke

03-05-2006, 04:43 PM

Im pritty sure the Sprit Power is easier to access in SS, then in the real world.

xyouxarexuglyx2

03-05-2006, 06:13 PM

the reason we anime readers think ichigo's powers are limited is because in the anime, in episode 31 renji comes out and says any shinigami w/ power levels of VC or Captain has their power limited 5fold so as not to disrupt the human world. b/c of this statement i was lead to believe that ichi would have to overcome this 5fold division of his power to reach bankai again. just by watching the anime, ichi's inability to hit bankai does make sense. i know its not the same in the manga, but thats how it was explained in the anime. it doesnt make it right, but thats what we were told.

He didn't say that any person at Captain or VC lvl. He said any Captain or VC.

Hmm.. imagine Ichigo using Bankai and they put a censor over it.

Metallo5

03-05-2006, 07:15 PM

totally agree. most anime's are like that. like in rurouni kenshin, kenshin trashed all those guys in the shishio saga, and after that, he was getting beat around by sub-par characters... that's just how it is. "there's always someone stronger"
In the Kenshin fillers the holy warrior guy was not trash. He had surpassed Kenshin and skill and the only reason Kenshin was even able to beat him was becuase of the ideals behind their sword.
Those guys from germany were kinda crappy though I'll give you that. However he was at a disadvantage against a guy on a horse that knew how to make his horse move in tandem with his strikes and parries.

cheesydud

03-08-2006, 02:16 AM

if he was going to kick ass they fillers would be very dumb

tenken

03-11-2006, 07:32 AM

I agree with the guy who was ranting earlier....

This filler really isn't that bad... hell... if it wasn't for manga readers advertising that its a filler... i bet half of you wouldn't even know that its a filler...

the reason ichigo seems so weak, well i think this filler covers it pretty well... he has to relearn his abilities on earth... and if you think about it... this will tie into the manga very nicely.. he has to relearn his abilities and become manga strength... and then then can reintroduce the manga plot.. it makes perfect sense to me...

also... these bounto don't seem very weak themselves... they have very interesting fighting styles... their weapons seem very similiar to zanpakto's for death gods... they are unique so i'm guessing they are probably very strong and who knows they probaly have multiple releases too? instead of *****ing you guys should stop to enjoy this rather well written filler

it even tries to tie in w/ the pltos in bleach... such as death gods being mediators and ppl who maintain balance... and bounto are destroying the balance of souls...

i for one love this filler... it sure beats the hell out of the crap naruto was throwing out... i mean... curry of life... wtf... that doesn't even tie into the fukin plot....

The_Supervisor

03-11-2006, 10:41 AM

he has to relearn his abilities on earth
I think that kinda sums it all up. For some reason it must be easier to fight with all releases in SS, I dunno, maybe cuz in the Court of Pure Souls there are all strong people with high reiastu, so it's kinda like "in the air" over there.

And then Ichi gets back to the human world filled with mere human souls, that might make it harder for 'im to focus his powers or stuff.
It's all just guessing however...

Undying

03-11-2006, 09:21 PM

Ah! For the ******* last time, no Ichigo is not limited in the real world. Period! The limit applies to VC or Captain ranked people, not level. In other words, Ichigo is not limited because he does not have the rank of a captain.

Also, please refer to my explanation on the differences about Shinigami and Quincy powers for understanding why doesn't Ichigo need to relearn his abilities on earth.

And again, for the ******* last time, Bankai, Shikai, anything like that depend on the user, not his/her whereabouts.

Now, for the Bounto. However you look at it, Ichigo with a single Getsuga Tenshou that has his true power behind it will flatten that Friido guy.

For the last and final time, Ichigo is weak in the fillers because those are fillers. Whether they suck or not is up to your taste.

Case closed.

ILoveYouSoiFong

03-12-2006, 04:35 PM

Logically speaking though, his reaitsu release has a limit imposed on it. That is a general law; whenever a shinigami transported to the "real world", his reiatsu should be cut by 20%.

But his power is far weaker in the filler. Maybe the animator disguised it so as to compensate for the "weak" power of the Bountos. If they will make Ichigo a bit powerful, then Bountos will have no chance of appearing once and for all. I REALLY HATE FILLERS.

MarvinOloris

03-19-2006, 03:05 PM

Logically speaking though, his reaitsu release has a limit imposed on it. That is a general law; whenever a shinigami transported to the "real world", his reiatsu should be cut by 20%.
But his power is far weaker in the filler. Maybe the animator disguised it so as to compensate for the "weak" power of the Bountos. If they will make Ichigo a bit powerful, then Bountos will have no chance of appearing once and for all. I REALLY HATE FILLERS.

He's right. Same opinion here. :)

Hollow_Man_ct

03-19-2006, 05:10 PM

ok undying-chan, you say case closed? tell me this, why did Urahara tell Ichigo that he couldn't use his Bankai in the real world if it didn't depend on his whereabouts nor his Reiatsu? so what is the logical explanation?

beautifulrandomness

03-20-2006, 06:32 PM

I agree that the fillers are a way to flesh out the story as long as poss...

Ths thing that I dont understand is how the things introduced in the filler arc, like Ririn and Cloud etc being used by Ichigo and co. as "reiatsu sensors" are going to resolved when the anime finally catches up with the manga. *ducks as people flame the n00b*

I also agree that as fillers go, they aren't that bad. As someone who played catch-up until about 3 weeks ago, I have to say they are a lot less annoying than the Karakura eps. that just appeared randomly in the middle of the SS plotline. At least these ones have some kind of plot to them. *ducks again*

:winking56

Undying

03-20-2006, 07:00 PM

Logically speaking though, his reaitsu release has a limit imposed on it. That is a general law; whenever a shinigami transported to the "real world", his reiatsu should be cut by 20%.
Reread Bleach.

ok undying-chan, you say case closed? tell me this, why did Urahara tell Ichigo that he couldn't use his Bankai in the real world if it didn't depend on his whereabouts nor his Reiatsu? so what is the logical explanation?
Because those are fillers. They are using a logicless explanation, because they can.

also agree that as fillers go, they aren't that bad. As someone who played catch-up until about 3 weeks ago, I have to say they are a lot less annoying than the Karakura eps. that just appeared randomly in the middle of the SS plotline. At least these ones have some kind of plot to them. *ducks again*
Those Karakura episodes were Kubo-taito's scratches and Omake chapters.