Icimaru and Tousen, who would betray Aizen first!?!

[Hotaru]

Come on guys, one of them will betray him... Tousen coz hes or Ichimaru... coz he's... ichimaru... just vote and tell me why... Thanks!!!!

This is the concluded argument, so far anyway, unless someone has found out a better answer...

Hello! :)
You know what would be interesting is if Aizen kicks both Tousen and Ichimaru out because he has seen that they both in the end are not completely committed to the his plan. Or maybe Aizen gets the power that he seeks. Then Tousen sees that Aizen wants to cause a great deal of bloodshed and he betrays him. As to Ichimaru it would be interesting if full power Aizen tries to kill maybe Matsumoto and Kira and Ichimaru turns on him. Both Tousen and Ichimaru find a way to work with the SS again because the SS needs all the help they can get. It would more than likely take Ichigo to stop Aizen at that moment.

Thanks RukiaYuza!!!

[Kabane]

i actually dont know. lol i havent voted and probably wont until someone sway's my judgement, Tousen being all righteous and what not could be working both sides and could an insider of sorts. Gin just has that i might betray you feel to him...


i really dont know..lol

[RukiaYuza]

Hello! :)
I would like to think that it might be Ichimaru. However I am not sure if he would because of how close he is to Aizen. I would like to think that Ichimaru would be the one to be a double agent of sorts. However more than likely Tousen would be that right. Yet I would like it to be Ichimaru.

[EXcrusher]

i think Tousen would betry Aizen 1st because Ichimaru had always been with Aizen.

[chakra25]

I couldn't really understand the 3rd choice. Anyway, I think Tousen will betray Aizen because he has a sense of Justice. He probably joined up with Aizen as a way to stop massive bloodshed. As he said "My path is the one with least bloodshed... that is where my justice lies." I'm guessing Tousen is acting as a spy on his own to find out more about Aizen. He's loyal to Yamamoto so I doubt that he will really betray SS.

[SumDumGai]

I think Tousen will definitely betray Aizen. Whether he's still loyal to SS or not isn't very important to his character IMO. In the earlier episodes (and especially the manga) it was pointed out clearly that Tousen became a shinigami to bring justice with as little bloodshed as possible after a shinigami close to him was killed. If he sees that SS isn't doing the right thing i wouldnt be surprised to see him turn on them and kill who he felt needs to be killed also. He reminds me a lot of Ganji the Destroyer from Kenshin.

[Evenstar]

I don't know...I guess no one would dare defy him....Though Ichimaru looks suspicious, it's like he's been in Aizen's side ever since then and he may knew that he won't be able to betray him because he's much more capable than he is, ne? And Tousen...well...he doesn't stand a chance anyway....but I guess he might think of betraying him after he realizes that he's been doing all the wrong things considering that he's obssessed with the whole justice thing...

[Kabane]

in a sense, Aizen's way is the path with the least amount of bloodshed. If Aizen were to rule the world, though his rule will probably be oppressive, it could effectively stop the "senseless"fighting between hollows and shinigami. As it stands now no matter what both shinigami and hollow will die, if Aizen ruled the world, having a pact with the hollows, he would stop the fighting between both parties. Though yes now is the bloodiest time, in the long run less blood will be spilt.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

I think matsumoto will convince ichimaru of the error of his ways and make him return and help SS, Tousen will get killed either way...:-D

[Evenstar]

in a sense, Aizen's way is the path with the least amount of bloodshed. If Aizen were to rule the world, though his rule will probably be oppressive, it could effectively stop the "senseless"fighting between hollows and shinigami. As it stands now no matter what both shinigami and hollow will die, if Aizen ruled the world, having a pact with the hollows, he would stop the fighting between both parties. Though yes now is the bloodiest time, in the long run less blood will be spilt.

Less likely than not, it may also be possible that Aizen's rule could actually destroy the balance between the worlds because he'd be creating more hollows for his army and cross-breeding hollows into shinigami thus running over the impertenent balance between the soul dimensions....it'd be a surprise if no blood will be spilt in this encounter....

[Hollow_Man_ct]

also, could you imagine hollows living along side shinigami and humans? cause that is what would happen if aizen hybidizes all the hollows into shinigami so the balance between hollows and shinigami would drop, so the two worlds would collide as well (quoted from rukia's saying about the as well false ways of the quincy)

[Hotaru]

What I meant is that Tousen joined up with Aizen coz he knows that he is the only one who can get through Aizen's shikai... And the path of Justice is that he has to betray them from THE inside... This is pure speculation btw...

[Naeko]

Gin...betrayal is in his blood.He will betray Aizen in the first moment when he will be bored in HM.

[Shinji]

Tousen will hopefully realize his mistake and join SS again but Ichimaru will be the one betraying Aizen first due to the fact he's so sneaky and you don't know anything about him.

[Nood]

Tousen. Ichimaru is aizen's subordinate from the very, very start. Tousen is just hes biatch because he would be the only one to repel hypnosis.

[M_Ghey]

I don't see why Toussen would do it, he is not exactly power hungry. But Gin seems devious enough to betray Aizen.

[MazdaRxEight]

I think the fox guy will get him to betray aizen

[Byakuya7]

Gin will definently be the first to betray him. It doesnt even seem like Aizen is controlling Ichimaru, it looks like they're partners in crime while Tousen is just a mindless subordinate who seeks a justice he will never find. Gin is just too mysterious to follow the orders of one man for the rest of his life, even if it's orders from Aizen himself.

[WizKid]

Aizen is like a Sith Lord and Icimaru is his apprentice, one of them will kill the other...

[Marke]

GIN!!! he will join back with Matsumoto and live happily ever after :>

[cheesydud]

tousen and ichimaru both have reasons to betray aizen
idk
they seem both likely to betray aizen any second but tousen will probably betray him first

[SumDumGai]

I don't see why Toussen would do it, he is not exactly power hungry. But Gin seems devious enough to betray Aizen.

Tousen wouldn't betray Aizen for power, he would do it for his sense of justice and to stop bloodshed, the best way to do it would be from the inside. He might be waiting to find a larger weakness Aizen has than not being able to hypnotize Tousen or maybe a way to control or eliminate Aizen's new 'army' (spoiler from the manga that i won't say). If Aizen is really planning to destroy the world and all that, Tousen wouldn't stand for it because he still believes in all of those beliefs that he always talks about even after making it obvious he joined with Aizen.

[Sandal Hat]

Gin will destroy any obstacle in his way.

[Hotaru]

Maybe theres a twist in the story!?!

[adorkable]

Gin would probably betray Aizen first. I chose Ichimaru but the Ichimaru kills Tousen, then he betrays Aizen to get power for himself also sounds right.

[The_Supervisor]

I say Tousen will first. Aizen and Gin seem like they've been friends for a real long time now, so Gin wouldn't betray him. Even if there weren't no friendship I think sticking with Aizen would be in Gin's best interest. Aizen's the man with the plan and he packs a lot of power, so Gin'll be smart and stay with him so he can have a piece of whatever Aizen seeks to achieve.

And Tousen, I don't know about him. Aizen had him join the club cuz he couldn't be deluded by Aizen, so I don't think he has any good reason to be with them. He'll run off for whatever reason if he'll get the chance

[Shinji]

Gin will destroy any obstacle in his way.I think so too.

Yes, there's probably a twist to the story, it wouldn't be KT if it wasn't. Maybe Ulquiorra betrays Aizen and takes over the whole thing. Who knows?

[Joe Black]

Ichimaru Gin seems like the person that would betray him. This "friendship" in my opinion, is similar to that with a peace treaty with two countries. Take the example of Japan and the U.S. They made a peace treaty during WW2 and BAM! Pearl Harbor. Simply put, I think Gin wouldn't be Aizen's friend just because he wants power as much as Aizen. (which is why i like both characters so much :D) Anyways, Tousen is blind, which can lead me to believe symbollically, that Tousen is "blind" in what is actually going on, so he is most likely not going to have overflowing ambition.

[M_Ghey]

True. Toussed might betray Aizen if he is indeed in the darkness about Aizen's true intentions, but Gin has more reason and is the kind of person to betray for a possibilty of more power.

[Aerys]

Aizen will kill them both. Aizen has shown that he is ruthless and will only use the souls around him as pawns.

[Hotaru]

I think so too.

Yes, there's probably a twist to the story, it wouldn't be KT if it wasn't. Maybe Ulquiorra betrays Aizen and takes over the whole thing. Who knows?
Uh... Who is this Ulquiorra dude???

[Hollow_Man_ct]

he is one of the top arrancar following aizen, he is the short guy who came with yami to earth and beat Chad and Inoue

[Hotaru]

arh... spoiler... i wont open it then...

[ethereal]

i dunno im new, and its my 1st week to watch bleach. ive almost done watching 49th eps. uhmm.. i would like to ask this, coz uve been saying this all over the topic, what u mean by "SS".. heheh.. im such a newbie here :D i hope someone will not get mad at me for asking such q's.

[RukiaYuza]

Hello! :)
Good that you are here. I am still kind of new too. As to what SS means it means Soul Society. Have fun here.

[The_Supervisor]

The reason why I said Gin will stick with Aizen is because that way he can easily gain power along with Aizen. And judging from what I've seen in the anime I think Gin is too unpowerful to betray Aizen and so he awaits the right moment 'till he has achieved an equal or higher level than Aizen. Right now Aizen's just too strong, so betraying him would be the same like suicide

[Hotaru]

i dunno im new, and its my 1st week to watch bleach. ive almost done watching 49th eps. uhmm.. i would like to ask this, coz uve been saying this all over the topic, what u mean by "SS".. heheh.. im such a newbie here :D i hope someone will not get mad at me for asking such q's.
Welcome!!! and yes... RukiaYuza has done it for me... thnx... should i change it in the poll then? for newbies?

[choking]

i think ichimaru is really attached to aizen a lot and tousen isnt.. so id say tousen would betray aizen 1st.

[sherenetms]

Whatever it is, Aizen surely wouldnt mind killing them both if he knows that they are plotting against him. He killed hinamori, he used kira....what else wouldnt he do?

[Sunfire249]

I think it would be more logical that tousen would be the one to betray aizen, because the only reason why he's actually helping aizen is so that all violence will end...

[Luso Clemens]

I'm guessing Tousen is acting as a spy on his own to find out more about Aizen.

Hahaha, Tousen, the blind spy

I think, maybe Ichimaru would... but that's just a guess

[james198829]

i would say that ichimaru would betray Aizen first because ichimaruhas been with him the whole time that he nows what is going on and what is happining. Aizen will do something that ichimaru does not like and betray Aizen.Thats my thorey.

[Wabisuke]

i think tousen will eventually come to his senses and realize he is being manipulated

gin seems like he is 100% loyal to aizen

[ade.hell]

As for me those secret, cat like eyes of Ichmaru win in this competition.

[Cousinit1686]

Tousen, like some others said before, he walks the path with the least amount of blood, and if he finds out that Aizen's plan is bad, he'll rebel.

[RukiaYuza]

Hello! :)
Speaking of Tousen. I have been all over the net trying to find a high quality picture of him and it is next to impossible to find him. Anyone know where I could find one in color.

[Cheryl]

Ichimaru would probably betray Aizen first. I mean, he looked a little regretful when Matsumoto had let go of his hand as he rose into the sky with Aizen and Tousen! And I like Ichimaru anyway, so there. XD

[K.Ogawa]

well, taking into account rangiku, i'd have to say gin. it's unexpected, yet so expected :eek13:

[Yavanna]

Gin... I don't know why... but I think he will turn against Aizen... :eek13:

[Marke]

to save matsumotos life !

[Hotaru]

Hello! :)
Speaking of Tousen. I have been all over the net trying to find a high quality picture of him and it is next to impossible to find him. Anyone know where I could find one in color.
We are to expect a twist in the story... otherwise it would be damn boring,right???
Anyway, yeah, can anyone find the pics? it would be really sueful... and also, am looking for good quality Bleach OP/ED songs i can use as my ringtone!!!

[MarvinOloris]

I choose Ichimaru Gin because Gin is so mysterious. Plus the fact that Ichimaru's got a friend [which is Matsumoto Rangiku]. I think, he's not too attached to Aizen. So more likely he'll be the one to betray first.

[Zanga]

I don't think Tousen will betray Aizen. I really do think that Tousen believes the path Aizen has chosen is the path of justive, where a new world will be created. Aizen either wants the power of a god, or he actually wants to be god. Ruling over a new world of his own. Tousen probably thinks this place will be a better place, a place that would uphold the justice.
If you refer to Tousen's fight with Kenpachi, he said something in these lines. I don't remember the exact words : ' This world does not have enough justice. I will gain the power to rid the sky of its clouds' Something like that :/
This could back up the theory of Tousen being hybridlized. When he came to pick-up Grimjoww, he did seem much more powerful.
Ichimaru...I think he's going to break Aizen's grip on him and save Rangiku.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

yeah, exactly my thoughts, Tousen will be forever blinded ( I guess that's what KT was trying to show when he made Tousen a blind character, one who wouldn't see neither the world nor the true truth ), and Ichimaru will come to his senses and save Rangiku or he will be killed by her and while he is dying, Rangiku picks him up and he tells her how wrong he has been when it is too late... but I prefer the first case.

[Hotaru]

wow... this is aninteresting view... with very good reasoning... mind you i havnt read the spoiler part yet...

[Nichigo]

I think both Tousen and Gin have the potential to betray Aizen.

Tousen: He's obviously a guy that does alot of thinking. If he's given enough time to think, he might realize that his sense of justice is really screwed up and defect from Aizen's side. He also has a very good friend in Komomaru. Granted, he already betrayed him, but that doesn't mean all bonds with him have been broken. maybe if Tousen sees Komomaru try hard enough or suffer enough, it could be sufficient to get him to betray Aizen.

Gin: As everyone else has said, his ties with Matsumoto might be a factor. However, we also don't know how strong that tie is. He really hasn't shown any real emotion towards her...good nor bad. WE know they have a history, but we don't know how deep that history goes. he is a very subtle character, and I believe he can go either way. I DO NOT believe he will remain loyal to Aizen, but i'm not sure which way he'd go. He could go back to SS and help them, or he could betray Aizen seeking power for himself. Based on what we've already seen of Ichimaru, I would guess the latter. He's only shown us a very deceptive and manipulative side of him, so my guess is he'd betray Aizen to gain power himself.

[Hotaru]

I think both Tousen and Gin have the potential to betray Aizen.

Tousen: He's obviously a guy that does alot of thinking. If he's given enough time to think, he might realize that his sense of justice is really screwed up and defect from Aizen's side. He also has a very good friend in Komomaru. Granted, he already betrayed him, but that doesn't mean all bonds with him have been broken. maybe if Tousen sees Komomaru try hard enough or suffer enough, it could be sufficient to get him to betray Aizen.

Gin: As everyone else has said, his ties with Matsumoto might be a factor. However, we also don't know how strong that tie is. He really hasn't shown any real emotion towards her...good nor bad. WE know they have a history, but we don't know how deep that history goes. he is a very subtle character, and I believe he can go either way. I DO NOT believe he will remain loyal to Aizen, but i'm not sure which way he'd go. He could go back to SS and help them, or he could betray Aizen seeking power for himself. Based on what we've already seen of Ichimaru, I would guess the latter. He's only shown us a very deceptive and manipulative side of him, so my guess is he'd betray Aizen to gain power himself.
Thats EXACTLY why I have set up this thread!!!!!!!!!! But yes.. your argument is certainly valid and sensible... Btw, which option did you vote for???

[Nichigo]

I just voted for Tousen becuase I thought he'd be most likely to betray aizen. Actually, after typing out my reasoning a couple posts up, i probably should have voted for Ichimaru...cuz now I think he'd be most likely to betray Aizen. You should probably put a line up there for "Both Tousen and Ichimaru betray Aizen".

[Hotaru]

Yeah... you are reading my mind completely... No.. i cant change the thread, or i dont know how to...may be Mr. Nice Moderator can do that for us???

[Zanga]

I don't see Ichigmaru ofthe power hungry type at all. From what we've seen so far, I don't think he needs power seeing out strong he is, so I highly doubt Ichimaru selling out Aizen for more power, cause he could easily gain that from Aizen without any scuffle at all. *has read the manga*

[SoundWave]

Ichimaru, he can't be evil.. he's always smiling. :D

[Hotaru]

Ichimaru, he can't be evil.. he's always smiling. :D
That is what is SO evil abt him!!! The mischevious grin!!! XDD

[Nichigo]

I don't see Ichigmaru ofthe power hungry type at all. From what we've seen so far, I don't think he needs power seeing out strong he is, so I highly doubt Ichimaru selling out Aizen for more power, cause he could easily gain that from Aizen without any scuffle at all. *has read the manga*

*reads the manga too but still disagrees* :eek13:

[beautifulrandomness]

OK so my theory is that because Touzen is obsessed with the whole justice thing, he will be overcome with guilt and betray Aizen. But I think that Gin may help him, and then betray him, meaning that Gin goes for the ultimate goal. I don't trust Gin at all, there's gotta be something going on there!!!

[Naeko]

I think Gin betrayed the shinigamis coz he was bored.He reached everything there what he could,so when Aizen told him this Hyougyoku-thing,he thought:Hey,this is funny! and he made it.But he'll betray Aizen too in the first moment when he'll be bored again.Gin is the evil joker.:)

[Hotaru]

I still think that both Gin and Tousen will team up and come back to SS... Tousen will realise the real justice... and Gin will come to his sense and loyalty to Matsumoto...

[Zanga]

*reads the manga too but still disagrees* :eek13:

Maybe I'm wrong, and my head has been pretty slow lately, so can someone remind me of a time Ichimaru seemed 'power hungry'?

[Zaraki-Kenpachi]

Ichimaru, because matsumoto will confront him and they'll get married and get many little fox kids.

[Nichigo]

Maybe I'm wrong, and my head has been pretty slow lately, so can someone remind me of a time Ichimaru seemed 'power hungry'?

That's the thing...there hasn't been any in depth look at his motives. He's mysterious, so his future actions are open to speculation. so far though, he's been deceptive and manipulative. he could use those skills to go any direction he wants. He's just too unpredictable.

[Yamazaki Kazushige]

but, thats the kind of guy Ichimaru is. I think he did it because of his loneliness the only friend he has is matsumoto and not really anyone else. Thats why i think he is always smiling to hide his emotions.(also i only watch the anime since i don't want to ruin the show.)

[Ulquiorra]

"Tousen betrays Aizen and Ichimaru and help SS "

maybe tousens not evil, maybe hes just a spy who helps SS


(justice ,righteous)

[MasterX25]

Nah Aizen will kill them both

[Nichigo]

Nah Aizen will kill them both

I could agree with this one too. Aizen seems like someone that would do that. DAng...i'm still having trouble getting over the fact that he's the bad guy. The first 50 or whatever episodes threw me off so bad. I mean... HE WEARS GLASSES for crying out loud! how can he be the bad guy if he wears glasses? :sad:

[RukiaYuza]

Hello! :)
I believe the fact that he wears glasses is one thing that makes Aizen so great as the bad guy. He looks like the nicest guy there could be then you find out that he is completely evil. I really like when he said that the Aizen that Renji and the others knew did not exist. Now to Aizen killing Ichimaru and Tousen I can see that happening. However it is my hope that Ichimaru does not die.

[Merovingian]

If anybody betrays Aizen, it'll be Gin. He doesn't appear to be above backstabbing anybody, friend or foe.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

Gin will betray Aizen and return to SS with Matsumoto's help and covincing, Tousen will die horribly, Aizen will die by Ichigo's hand.

[choujiwong]

I guess Gin'll plan something out to take over Aizen's place and become the next villain of Bleach. How's that?

[Avenged Sevenfold]

For some reason, (even though Gin seems very sinister) i cant see Gin betraying Aizen.

I can picture Komamura Sajin persuading Tousen to return, but im doubtful. I guess we'l just have to wait and see how it all pans out ^^

[Ru-chan]

I think it Ichimaru who will betray Aizen then Tousen would probably betray him too. I notice Gin and Tousen were with the "good Guys" in the Closing songs so mamybe they would both leave Aizen plus Ichimaru might return to SS because of Matsumoto while Tousen to...err I forgot his name...the fox dude. :D

[Neve]

I can see Ichimaru betraying Aizen before Tousen...but I don't think he'd be able to beat him...then Aizen would probably kill both of them.

[wickedwitch]

I think that Ichimaru will probably do it. Tousen seems to be the more devoted of the two. Ichimaru seems like he just isn't feeling Aizen's ordering him around and what not.

[Hotaru]

Keep the comments coming!!! I might draw a conclusion soon and prob start a new poll on the basic information I have here..Hows that???

[bebe50UL]

I think and hope Ichimaru would betray Aizen first... because I don't think Ichimaru is such a bad guy, and might want to help SS. Since Ichimaru and Matsumoto have a thing going on, Gin will probably betray Azien for Matsumoto... maybe when Aizen is going to kill her or something then Ichimaru will kill Aizen instead! :) Just a thought

[Houkiboshi Akira]

Ichimaru, mainly because I think his character has a lot more potential. So far in the show he's basically been Aizen's lacky but you can see he's smart just by the way he interacts with all the other captains.

He's also got that little side story with Matsumoto.

Not to mention Gin > Tousen when it comes to cool characters, Gin's "Bye Bye" scene trumps anything Tousen has to offer.

[Ulquiorra]

why not tousen, he always talks about justice , maybe hes a good guy:eek13:

[RukiaYuza]

Hello! :)
It might be interesting if both Ichimaru and Tousen betray Aizen. Maybe Ichimaru does it out of love for Matsumoto. Perhaps Tousen eyes are open by Komamaru.
This might be a bit off topic but I wonder what happen to the Captain of the 5th Division that came before Aizen.

[Zanga]

Probably died from old age, or just follwed the same path of the other former captains besides the former 11th.

I highly doubt Tousen will betray Aizen. After what he did (cutting of the arm, hinting to manga readers) I seriously doubt Tousen will betray. Just because he talks about justice, doesn't mean it he's a good guy. It could be justice for his side. Remember, Aizen wants the power of a god, which could mean he wants to make a new world under his rule. Tousen might think this world has only justice, and will fight with Aizen to make this new world a reality.

[Hotaru]

Ichimaru, mainly because I think his character has a lot more potential. So far in the show he's basically been Aizen's lacky but you can see he's smart just by the way he interacts with all the other captains.

He's also got that little side story with Matsumoto.

Not to mention Gin > Tousen when it comes to cool characters, Gin's "Bye Bye" scene trumps anything Tousen has to offer.
I like your idea, but remember that Tousen may be blind (pardon the pun, but i think KT meant it this way anyway) by his sense of justice. As mischevious as he could be, he is no where nere as sensible as Ichimaru, who will do anything to come out on top...
PS... I really like your username, you have combineded my two fav. japanede words together...

[bakahime-sama]

Actually i have a feeling that Tousen would betray Aizen and Gin first. After all, Gin has been Aizen's vice captain before. I don't really like it when Tousen smiles.

[Hotaru]

I dont think I ve ever seen him smile.... But... yeah... your logic is good...

[Shigeyuki]

Tousen will betray Aizen, hes allways been on side of justice. i would like to see a cene betwen Sajin and Tousen when they fight, and sajin convinces him on returning to SS.

[Hotaru]

I can see Shunhui putting in a hand in that scene as well...

[RukiaYuza]

Hello! :)
You know what would be interesting is if Aizen kicks both Tousen and Ichimaru out because he has seen that they both in the end are not completely committed to the his plan. Or maybe Aizen gets the power that he seeks. Then Tousen sees that Aizen wants to cause a great deal of bloodshed and he betrays him. As to Ichimaru it would be interesting if full power Aizen tries to kill maybe Matsumoto and Kira and Ichimaru turns on him. Both Tousen and Ichimaru find a way to work with the SS again because the SS needs all the help they can get. It would more than likely take Ichigo to stop Aizen at that moment.

[IrenicMoons]

Everyone says how Ichimaru is like...Aizen's dog. But he isn't the most trustworthy person, I mean with that face, you have no idea what he's thinking! Sooo, I want Ichimaru to betray Aizen and go back to Matsumoto.

Which is...unlikely, but I say, the most likely out of these choices

[Hotaru]

Hello! :)
You know what would be interesting is if Aizen kicks both Tousen and Ichimaru out because he has seen that they both in the end are not completely committed to the his plan. Or maybe Aizen gets the power that he seeks. Then Tousen sees that Aizen wants to cause a great deal of bloodshed and he betrays him. As to Ichimaru it would be interesting if full power Aizen tries to kill maybe Matsumoto and Kira and Ichimaru turns on him. Both Tousen and Ichimaru find a way to work with the SS again because the SS needs all the help they can get. It would more than likely take Ichigo to stop Aizen at that moment.
A very interesting, unbiased point of view... very well concluded, can i put this on the front page???

[RukiaYuza]

Hello! :)
Thank you. It is alright if you want to use my post.

[krumpage]

i think aizen will kill them both or 1 depending if they both were since even if they caught him by surprise he still would kick there trash

[Z_Blitz]

Well... It goes both ways but I think that Tousen would be the first (if any) to betray Aizen. Thats because he holds justice up high and considers it his way of living. However he may not if he is still fixated on thinking that Aizen is still the one who will lead this world to peace and harmony were justice is practiced.

Gin on the other hand has a fair chance of betraying Aizen too. For all that we know he could've been scheming against Aizen for a long time now and have been acting as his pawn just to gain his trust. Albeit highly unlikely, Bleach is full of surprises, all we can do is wait until its clear as to who is on which side exactly :).

[Hotaru]

As always, Z_Blitz gives the middle path view... altho I ll stick with RukiaYuza tho...

[khan20]

the way Ichimaru is....(the way he looks, the way he smiles, the way he fights, the way he doesn't talk much)
so IMO he'd probably be the one to be the most evil and strongest and might betray Aizen
who knows....maybe he's planning something already.....

[Tenebrus]

There was just a suggestion of Ichimaru's future betrayal , so i vote for him...
Allthough would be fun for Aizen to kill them both (there was a suggestion in the manga about that too)

[Hotaru]

Ahh... This thread is suddenly alive again!!! Shame abt the spoiler tho... am not going to open it, Aizen-taichou...

[Rising Phoenix]

I think that both have an equal potential to betray Aizen.

Tousen: Maybe he'll realize his mistakes and will want to make amends. Perhaps Aizen has promised him th egift of sight that's why he joined him. When he finds that that is beyond his power and just a bunch of lies he'll betray him.

Icimaru: He just seems plain chaotic to me. Will do anything to achieve his goals and so Aizen may have to go...

Cheers,

R.P.

[Tenebrus]

I think that both have an equal potential to betray Aizen.
Tousen: Maybe he'll realize his mistakes and will want to make amends. Perhaps Aizen has promised him th egift of sight that's why he joined him. When he finds that that is beyond his power and just a bunch of lies he'll betray him.
Icimaru: He just seems plain chaotic to me. Will do anything to achieve his goals and so Aizen may have to go...
Cheers,
R.P.
R.P. I like the idea of Tousen. Maybe Aizen really did promise him his sight back. A good idea really...:headbang:

[Bloodywolf]

We all know Aizen will be killed by a lil piggy anyhow :p

No aculy, there might be a chanse that they won't betray each other

[Hotaru]

Re: RP and Aizen_taichou...

I dont see why Tousen wants his eyesight back... I thought he is happy as he is, but he is following HIS path of "justice"...

[Rising Phoenix]

Re: RP and Aizen_taichou...

I dont see why Tousen wants his eyesight back... I thought he is happy as he is, but he is following HIS path of "justice"...

It was just a thought. Considering his following his path of justice maybe he consideres it unfair for him not to have eyesight.... Of course I can only speculate as Tousen has not been presented well enough for someone to judge that.

Cheers,

R.P.

[Tenebrus]

It was just a thought. Considering his following his path of justice maybe he consideres it unfair for him not to have eyesight.... Of course I can only speculate as Tousen has not been presented well enough for someone to judge that.
Cheers,
R.P.
Amen to that...
you are a really bright guy, you know that? (btw how didn't i think of that)
Hotaru he's right...i don't see Tousen "happy" with his lack of eyesight...
btw the whole "my path of justice" is a little stupid.
Btw since the king is such a big figure, maybe Tousen wants to kill him, believing he's guilty for the lack of eyesight

[M-50]

Ichimaru because he has the greed to become the best. But Tousen might tell Aizen if he senses that Gin will betray them. :headbang:

[Hotaru]

Amen to that...
you are a really bright guy, you know that? (btw how didn't i think of that)
Hotaru he's right...i don't see Tousen "happy" with his lack of eyesight...
btw the whole "my path of justice" is a little stupid.
Btw since the king is such a big figure, maybe Tousen wants to kill him, believing he's guilty for the lack of eyesight
No... i agree with RP perfectly but i was just trying to look at this from a different view... thats all...

but all in all, its a very good view indeed... maybe he thinks its unfair that he hasnt got his eyesight and that is injustice for him...

anyway, i dont read the manga...

[SLVR]

Tousen GMV. He seems to much of a p*ssy for those 2

[Lenne]

i think Aizens probably gonna kill the two of them once he gets enough firepower and dont need their services anymore. seems highly likelyXD

[Hotaru]

i think Aizens probably gonna kill the two of them once he gets enough firepower and dont need their services anymore. seems highly likelyXD
Thats so evil of you!!! You and Supervisor suits eachother as he is one of those sadist who worship Mayuri, correct me if am wrong here!!!

[Ghost]

I couldn't really understand the 3rd choice. Anyway, I think Tousen will betray Aizen because he has a sense of Justice. He probably joined up with Aizen as a way to stop massive bloodshed. As he said "My path is the one with least bloodshed... that is where my justice lies." I'm guessing Tousen is acting as a spy on his own to find out more about Aizen. He's loyal to Yamamoto so I doubt that he will really betray SS.
Actually sounds pretty plausible.. since Tousen's quite a shady character in his ways.
I think Tousen will, in the end, return to SS to help them again, because I don't think Aizen is planning a whole lot of good with the object he stole from Rukia, so Tousen would again follow 'his sense of Justice' (Omg that guy anoys me lol.. justice here and there :sad: )

[AznPoi]

Gin has been smiling the whole time. I bet Gin will betray Aizen in the very end!!!

[Winter-war]

i believe i would say ichimaru because if it came down to rangiku or aizen, i truly believe he would choose her but you never really what could happen in this anime sometimes.

[Hotaru]

i believe i would say ichimaru because if it came down to rangiku or aizen, i truly believe he would choose her but you never really what could happen in this anime sometimes.
ha... the thing is, there are so many twists in this anime, all three of them might never break up with each other!!!

[kurosaki321]

Tousen will betray aizen due to his friend , Tousen has never had the idea of betraying soul society he had some main reasons behind and also he will never forget his wolf friend they were friends for long therefore tousen will step out and betray aizen

[Endess Wings]

In the end there going to be so much died people!

[Hotaru]

In the end there going to be so much died people!
yep... i can see that coming too... it will be like "the new SS"...

[Bleachnik]

Tousen.

Ichimaru has been tight with Aizen for a long time and has been subject to Aizen's bankai. If he did, Aizen would just kill him off. Meanwhile, "I'm for justice" Tousen, who is blind, therefore can not be subject to Aizen's bankai will "wake up" and see he's been doing it all wrong and betray Aizen. He's basically the only one who can betray Aizen, save the day and get away with it.

[Insight]

i have to agree with you Bleachnik. tousen is only following aizen because he believes that by doing so he will be able to create his world of peace and justice but when he "see's" what aizen is doing he will turn and attemt to defeat him but he couldn't even beat kenpachi so there's no way he could beat aizen.

[me is nerd]

it should be tousen he cares soo much about justice crap...

[Momo]

um... Tousen.... why? ichimaru been Aizen's vice-captain... and have a big connection... as I can see
Tousen... well he cares bout Justice right... but maybe he's confused on his decisions...

[Kesumi]

I think Tousen too.....I mean Ichimaru and Aizen were tight ever since Ichimaru was Aizen's Vice Captain....so they have a big connection. Tousen on the other hand just cares about justice

[berserk]

Personally... I think niether of them will betray Aizen... not cuz Aizen powerful but they just wont... Tousen path is "Just" and I think he see's no wrong in the path he walks... Gin is just mysterious and no hint as to why he follows Aizen...
I think when the once the "War" ensues... Tousen and Gin will both fall in a trajic way that reflects on their decisions... just my thoughts... but voted for Gin -.-

[AznPoi]

Tousen knew that Aizen wanted to destroy SS the whole time. Tousen is hardcore Aizen fan. Gin on the other hand can't let go of Matsumoto. Her assets will lead him back to her and SS.